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| Oct-10-04 | | who: Crazy game. |
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| Oct-10-04 | | fasting: when does this go wrong? is it 7.Ke3?, or before that? |
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| Oct-10-04 | | Knezh: 6. Kxf2 is a mistake, better is Kf1. |
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| Oct-10-04 | | fasting: that's a short answer. But 6...Nxe4+ surely opens up for the queen as well, and the white doesn't seem to have no where to go. |
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Oct-11-04
 | | Willem Wallekers: 8. Nxh8 is wrong. White has a good chance to survive after 8. g3. |
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| Oct-11-04 | | fasting: And I don't think, after looking closer that 6.Kxf2 is wrong if you play 7.Kf1 there after! Besides I agree with señor Wallekers bout the 8.Nxh8 |
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| Oct-11-04 | | who: Fritz shows a faster win with 9...Qf2+ 10.Kd3 Nb4 11.Kxe4 Qf4# |
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| Oct-11-04 | | fasting: hey did I write 7.Kf1? What I ment was of course 7.Kg1!? |
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| May-19-09 | | ruzon: <Willem Wallekers: 8. Nxh8 is wrong. White has a good chance to survive after 8. g3.> In this database, 8.g3 leads to a perpetual draw after 8... xg3 9.hxg3  d4+ 10. f3 d5 11. h4 e4+ 12.g2 f8 (or O-O) 13.h5 xf7 14. xd5 f2+ =. |
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Feb-05-12
 | | sevenseaman: A murder most foul on the highway.
8. Nxh8 is very obtuse, as if material were an objective by itself. |
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| Feb-05-12 | | cormier: 7.Kg1:
click for larger viewAnalysis by Fritz 12: dpa
7...Qh4 8.g3 Nxg3 9.Nxh8 Nxh1 10.Qe2 d5 11.Bb5 Bg4 12.Qxe5+ Kf8 13.Qe3 Kg8 14.Nf7 Kxf7 15.Kxh1 Nd4 16.Nc3 Bf3+ 17.Kg1 Qg4+
 (1.15) Depth: 19/50 00:02:21 86762kN
7...Qh4 8.g3 Nxg3 9.Nxh8 Nd4 10.Bf7+ Kf8 11.hxg3 Qxg3+ 12.Kf1 Qf4+ 13.Kg2 Qg5+ 14.Kh3 d5+ 15.Kh2 Qf4+ 16.Kg2 Qg5+
= (0.00) Depth: 20/51 00:08:34 336mN
(, ---------- 05.02.2012) |
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| Feb-05-12 | | King Death: Aren't most of these lines where White plays 5.Nf7 analyzed out to no more than a draw when White doesn't go crazy grabbing material the way he did here? If I ever played this as White for sure I'd play 5.Bf7+ and 6.Bd5 though, that looks like it should get a small plus. At any rate Black doesn't get the kind of game he wants. |
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| Feb-05-12 | | ColeTrane: Bxf7 little better chance . . . . |
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| Feb-05-12 | | chegado: C'mon, even I can beat this guy.
Chessgames, we can do better than that. |
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Feb-05-12
 | | FSR: White seems to have had a death wish in this game. How <should> White play? My Game Collection: Drawing lines contains five games with the Wilkes-Barre (scrawl down to C57). <King Death> is correct that 5.Bxf7+! Ke7 6.Bd5! is the only good try for advantage - though even there Black scores almost 62% in the database! See Opening Explorer and Opening Explorer White got a winning advantage in Anand vs Beliavsky, 1991, but lost. Karpov could only draw in the same line: Karpov vs Beliavsky, 1983. Maybe Tarrasch was right when he called 4.Ng5 "a duffer's move"? |
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| Feb-05-12 | | goodevans: This game has some amusement value and the pun is wonderfully apt. <chegado>, you are on dangerous ground. Check out the kibitzing to yesterday's GOTD, Tal vs Eversole, 1988. |
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| Feb-05-12 | | erniecohen: What happened to the requirement that a game have either historical significance, be from an important tournament, or have at least one highly-rated participant? Each of these players has one game in the database. White walks into a 4-move mate against the Traxler (like that's unusual). Why is this game here? Why is it GOTD? |
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Feb-05-12
 | | King Sacrificer: I like seeing this game as GOTD. After making a little mind exercise with the insane puzzle, it's good to see something funny and relax. |
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Feb-05-12
 | | Memethecat: Reminds me of one of my "frequent" disasters |
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| Feb-05-12 | | Penguincw: Amazing what two knights can do alone. Just destroy ever piece there is. Also a crazy opening name: < Italian Game: Two Knights Defense. Traxler Counterattack King March line. > |
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| Feb-05-12 | | Rook e2: <Feb-05-12
FSR: White seems to have had a death wish in this game. How <should> White play? My Game Collection: Drawing lines contains five games with the Wilkes-Barre (scrawl down to C57). <King Death> is correct that 5.Bxf7+! Ke7 6.Bd5! is the only good try for advantage - though even there Black scores almost 62% in the database! See Opening Explorer and Opening Explorer White got a winning advantage in Anand vs Beliavsky, 1991, but lost. Karpov could only draw in the same line: Karpov vs Beliavsky, 1983. Maybe Tarrasch was right when he called 4.Ng5 "a duffer's move"? >I used to play the line 3..Nf6 4.Ng5 or 3..Bc5 4. b4. I's a lot of fun and not as simple as that for black. White has many options, for example Bxf7 Ke7 Bb3 is fine. Nxf7 is not whithout danger, but white has to play Kf1 after Bxf2.
In the normal 4. Ng5 - d5 line there are many lines where white should be okay more or less. for example 8. Qf3?! is a nice try or 9. Nh3 instead of Nf3. Quite balanced with good results for white. |
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| Feb-05-12 | | King Death: < Rook e2: I used to play the line 3..Nf6 4.Ng5 or 3..Bc5 4. b4. I's a lot of fun and not as simple as that for black...> In the Evans Gambit the Lasker Defense is a good option, here's a game where Black defends well and his opponent doesn't really get anything: T Harding vs J Elburg, 1989. <...In the normal 4. Ng5 - d5 line there are many lines where white should be okay more or less. for example 8. Qf3?! is a nice try or 9. Nh3 instead of Nf3. Quite balanced with good results for white.> While I agree that 9.Nh3 is playable and avoids tons of theory after the usual 9.Nf3, the line 8.Qf3 should be answered by 8...Rb8 when White can play 9.Bd3 or grab another pawn with 9.Bc6+ though Black gets a lot of play in the second line. |
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Feb-05-12
 | | whiteshark: Arkansas: Literacy Ain’t Everything |
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| Feb-05-12 | | rilkefan: I made a Michelle Shocked reference here just the other day, glad to hear an echo. |
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| Feb-05-12 | | Rook e2: <In the Evans Gambit the Lasker Defense is a good option, here's a game where Black defends well and his opponent doesn't really get anything: T Harding vs J Elburg, 1989.> Yes the endgame in the Evans Gambit is in many cases in black's favour.. White should try to avoid exchanging pieces.. White should play d4 before castling and if black plays Bb6 attack the bishop with a4.. |
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