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Yakov Estrin vs Hans Berliner
"Ich bin ein Berliner" (game of the day Feb-12-2006)
5th CC World Ch Final (1965), corr-5
Italian Game: Two Knights Defense. Ulvestad Variation (C57)  ·  0-1

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Jul-09-07  RandomVisitor: Check out my analysis of Estrin-Berliner, including the innovation 13.Qf2!

Jul-09-07  Poisonpawns: <Randomvisitor> Great post! I will look further into it but right away i see that after 13.Qf2 Be6! 14.Bxb5+ c6? doesnt capture the spirit of the position, c6 attacks Bb5 yes,but allows an easy liquidation for white after 15.Nxe4!.The natural move 14.Kd8! must be examined,i will be working on this tonite and will put some up tommorow.The idea of 12.Qe2 and 13.Qf2 seem to slow and with blacks activity he should be able to draw.
Jul-13-07  RandomVisitor: <Poisonpawns>After 12.Qe2 Be6 13.Qf2 Nb4 14.Bxb5+ <Kd8>

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15.Na3 a6

(15...exf3 16.gxf3 Bxg3 (16...a6 17.Be2 Bxg3 18.Qxg3 Qxd4 19.Qf2 Nd3+ 20.Bxd3 Qxd3 21.Qh4+ 2.54/23) 17.Qxg3 Qxd4 18.Qf2 Qe5+ 19.Qe3 Qd6 20.d4 a6 21.Ba4 2.52/20)

16.Be2 exf3 17.gxf3 Bxg3 18.Qxg3 Qxd4 19.Qf2 Nd3+ 20.Bxd3 Qxd3 21.Qh4+ 2.54/23)

White has a good game in all lines.

Analysis done "sliding forward" one move at a time, 24 minutes per move, Rybka2.3.2, quad core Intel

Jul-15-07  Poisonpawns: <RandomVisitor>What is funny is i am getting the same variations as you but i am using Fritz 5 from 1998 :-). Seriously,Qf2 may be the end for this line,and you should write a pamphlet of the analysis. Here 17..Bxg3!? seems wrong,the comp is only doing that to win the d pawn.So i will look for a stronger contiuation for black.
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  MarkThornton: <RV> After 13. Qf2 Nb4 14. Bxb5+, I have spent a bit of time analysing <14...Bd7>. But it seems that White wins after

15. Bxd7+ Kxd7 16. 0-0! Nc2 17. fxe4 Nxa1 18. Qxf7+ and Black is getting hammered.

Feb-20-08  ianD: Cracking game Gromit!

Jun-19-08  srinivas6195: can any one please tell me where were whites mistakes?
Aug-10-08  RandomVisitor:

12.Qe2 Be6 13.Qf2! should win for white.

Jan-13-09  WhiteRook48: what happens after 43. Rc7+?
Jan-24-09  seeminor: 43.Rc7+ Kb1 44.Rc5 Ra4!
Jan-27-09  positionalgenius: this game is what got me into corr chess. I love this game. what a truly deep game.
Apr-24-09  Sicilian Dragon: Great game, nice pun!
Jun-08-09  steve123456: Doesn't 6.Bxb5...Bd7 7.dxc6 win Estrin a knight?
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  micahtuhy: After 6. Bxb5 Black is free to play Qxd5 and has a significant advantage. Taking b5 is a common trap that Black is trying to bait.
Jan-14-12  Rosbach: In this variation of two knights game could White not be better of playing 6.dxc6 or 6.Nc3? Think I'll make a collection of White playing and loosing with 6.Bf1... Naiditsch vs Carlsen, 2006
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  profK: This is a great example, which often happens in correspondence chess, where analysis goes deeper than what has been around. in books, or current accepted practice. This is such a gem !!!
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  Penguincw: 5...b5 and things are already looking interesting.
Feb-05-12  erniecohen: I don't understand why Estrin cannot draw the Rook ending. For example, 34. ♔g3 ♔d4 35. ♖f3 ♖c2 36. ♖f7 a5 37. ♖d7+ ♔e3 38. b3 ♖xa2 39. ♖b7 ♖d2 40. ♖xb6 ♖xd3 is a draw. I think he just misplayed it.

So, anyone want to bet that they can win with Berliner's position starting with move 34? I'm willing to take the White side of a postal.

Jul-31-12  Llawdogg: Wow! Great analysis by RV and others here. Really helped to understand the complexity of this game.
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  kingscrusher: I have video annotated this game here :

Feb-28-13  SirChrislov: Tim Harding analyzes this game in great detail in <64 Great Chess Games: Instructive Classics from the World of Correspondence Chess> It is a masterpiece in terms of precision, Makes the immortal game look like child's play. But to understand it fully you must go through all the variations, with a smaller analysis set (it helps.)

If you're a postal-game nut, I recommend T. Harding's follow-up: <50 Golden Chess Games: More Masterpieces of Correspondence Chess>

Mar-03-13  RandomVisitor: <erniecohen>After 33...Ke5

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Black has a better king position and can threaten to move kingside to support the passed pawn or queenside to eat white pawns. 34.Kg3 Kd4 35.Rf3 Rc5 might be best play.

Aug-22-15  tdh1967: I would like to take the offer erniecohen made to play a postal game from move #34 of Estrin_Berliner correspondence game. I believe Estrin had the game won until 15. Be2? from using the computer to arrive at this. After this move, it was a black win as long as no blunders were made for black. Again, using the computer to arrive at this. My programs can win for black easily after 34. Ke3 but in three years since this post was made, I'm sure this is common knowledge now with the new programs so much better than even in 2012. I'd like to play the game for fun if you would like.
Apr-21-16  erniecohen: <tdh1967> Hi! Sorry for the long delay in answering, I just now saw your post. Email me at and we can arrange something.
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  cro777: The game is annotated by IM Sagar Shah who, as a young lad, read Hans Berliner's book "The System: A World Champion's Approach to Chess" which lays out a set of principles that Berliner used to guide him to the right moves:

Hans Berliner died on last Friday (13 January, 2017) in Riviera Beach, Florida at 87.

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