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Yakov Estrin vs Hans Berliner
"Ich bin ein Berliner" (game of the day Feb-12-06)
5th CC World Ch Final (1965)  ·  Italian Game: Two Knights Defense. Ulvestad Variation (C57)  ·  0-1
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Jun-16-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  Marmot PFL: <madlydeeply> That wasn't my claim, it was two guys currently rated over 300 points above me, one of whom is an IM. They made the statement about 10 years ago, when the three of us played Ben in a six player clock simul. (All six of us lost, though I lasted the longest.)
Jun-17-06  madlydeeply: I'm just jokin, Marmot.
Jun-30-07  Poisonpawns: Here is game from chesslife june 2005.It is an correspondance game that deals with the move 12.Qe2 in the Berliner line of the two knights defense.It is truly a brilliant game and i wish there was some published Gm analysis somewhere on it. W:R.Seldon
B:C.Bean
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nd4 6.c3 b5 7.Bf1 Nxd5 8.Ne4 Qh4 9.ng3 Bg4 10.f3 e4 11.cxd4 Bd6 12.Qe2!? Be6 13.fxe4 Nb4 14.Na3 0-0-0 15.e5 Qxd4 16.exd6 Bg4 17.d7+ Qxd7 18.Qe3 Rhe8 19.Ne4 Qd5 20.d3 f5 21.h3 fxe4 22.d4 Nd3+ 23.Kd2 c5! 24.hxg4 cxd4 25.Qg3 e3+ 26.Kxd3 e2 27.Bf4 re3+ 28.Kd2 exf1N+ 29.Raxf1 rxg3 30.bxg3 Qxg2+ 31.Kc1 Qxg3 white resigns
Jul-09-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  RandomVisitor: Check out my analysis of Estrin-Berliner, including the innovation 13.Qf2!

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzesz4a6/...

Jul-09-07  Poisonpawns: <Randomvisitor> Great post! I will look further into it but right away i see that after 13.Qf2 Be6! 14.Bxb5+ c6? doesnt capture the spirit of the position, c6 attacks Bb5 yes,but allows an easy liquidation for white after 15.Nxe4!.The natural move 14.Kd8! must be examined,i will be working on this tonite and will put some up tommorow.The idea of 12.Qe2 and 13.Qf2 seem to slow and with blacks activity he should be able to draw.
Jul-13-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  RandomVisitor: <Poisonpawns>After 12.Qe2 Be6 13.Qf2 Nb4 14.Bxb5+ <Kd8>


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15.Na3 a6

(15...exf3 16.gxf3 Bxg3 (16...a6 17.Be2 Bxg3 18.Qxg3 Qxd4 19.Qf2 Nd3+ 20.Bxd3 Qxd3 21.Qh4+ 2.54/23) 17.Qxg3 Qxd4 18.Qf2 Qe5+ 19.Qe3 Qd6 20.d4 a6 21.Ba4 2.52/20)

16.Be2 exf3 17.gxf3 Bxg3 18.Qxg3 Qxd4 19.Qf2 Nd3+ 20.Bxd3 Qxd3 21.Qh4+ 2.54/23)

White has a good game in all lines.

Analysis done "sliding forward" one move at a time, 24 minutes per move, Rybka2.3.2, quad core Intel

Jul-15-07  Poisonpawns: <RandomVisitor>What is funny is i am getting the same variations as you but i am using Fritz 5 from 1998 :-). Seriously,Qf2 may be the end for this line,and you should write a pamphlet of the analysis. Here 17..Bxg3!? seems wrong,the comp is only doing that to win the d pawn.So i will look for a stronger contiuation for black.
Jan-06-08
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  MarkThornton: <RV> After 13. Qf2 Nb4 14. Bxb5+, I have spent a bit of time analysing <14...Bd7>. But it seems that White wins after

15. Bxd7+ Kxd7 16. 0-0! Nc2 17. fxe4 Nxa1 18. Qxf7+ and Black is getting hammered.

Feb-20-08  ianD: Cracking game Gromit!

Jun-19-08  srinivas6195: can any one please tell me where were whites mistakes?
Aug-10-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  RandomVisitor: http://mysite.verizon.net/vzesz4a6/...

12.Qe2 Be6 13.Qf2! should win for white.

Jan-13-09  WhiteRook48: what happens after 43. Rc7+?
Jan-24-09  seeminor: 43.Rc7+ Kb1 44.Rc5 Ra4!
Jan-27-09  positionalgenius: this game is what got me into corr chess. I love this game. what a truly deep game.
Apr-24-09  Sicilian Dragon: Great game, nice pun!
Jun-08-09  steve123456: Doesn't 6.Bxb5...Bd7 7.dxc6 win Estrin a knight?
Jul-15-09  micahtuhy: After 6. Bxb5 Black is free to play Qxd5 and has a significant advantage. Taking b5 is a common trap that Black is trying to bait.
Jan-14-12  Rosbach: In this variation of two knights game could White not be better of playing 6.dxc6 or 6.Nc3? Think I'll make a collection of White playing and loosing with 6.Bf1... Naiditsch vs Carlsen, 2006
Jan-27-12
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  profK: This is a great example, which often happens in correspondence chess, where analysis goes deeper than what has been around. in books, or current accepted practice. This is such a gem !!!
Jan-27-12  Penguincw: 5...b5 and things are already looking interesting.
Feb-05-12  erniecohen: I don't understand why Estrin cannot draw the Rook ending. For example, 34. Kg3 Kd4 35. Rf3 Rc2 36. Rf7 a5 37. Rd7+ Ke3 38. b3 Rxa2 39. Rb7 Rd2 40. Rxb6 Rxd3 is a draw. I think he just misplayed it.

So, anyone want to bet that they can win with Berliner's position starting with move 34? I'm willing to take the White side of a postal.

Jul-31-12  Llawdogg: Wow! Great analysis by RV and others here. Really helped to understand the complexity of this game.
Nov-18-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  kingscrusher: I have video annotated this game here :

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...

Feb-28-13  SirChrislov: Tim Harding analyzes this game in great detail in <64 Great Chess Games: Instructive Classics from the World of Correspondence Chess> It is a masterpiece in terms of precision, Makes the immortal game look like child's play. But to understand it fully you must go through all the variations, with a smaller analysis set (it helps.)

If you're a postal-game nut, I recommend T. Harding's follow-up: <50 Golden Chess Games: More Masterpieces of Correspondence Chess>

Mar-03-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  RandomVisitor: <erniecohen>After 33...Ke5


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Black has a better king position and can threaten to move kingside to support the passed pawn or queenside to eat white pawns. 34.Kg3 Kd4 35.Rf3 Rc5 might be best play.

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