|Feb-04-04|| ||nasmichael: Dangerous! I am pleased to have seen this game and the 1610 game from Italy. Thank you for posting the two together. |
|Feb-04-04|| ||TrueFiendish: Was black a very bad computer program, perhaps? |
|Jul-18-04|| ||Stavr0gln: Ok, Black's move 16. . .QF6 makes no sense at all to me, is there any logic to it? or is it just a mistake? Was he thinking his knight could capture the queen? |
|Jul-18-04|| ||tpstar: <Stavr0gln> Retrograde analysis. After 14. de correct was 14 ... Qg6 15. Bxd5+ cxd5 16. Qxd5+ Be6 with some chances to hold (17. Qf3+ Qf5). Yet Black threw in 14 ... Bg5+? expecting 15. Kb1, learning too late that 15. f4 Bxf4+?? loses to 16. Qxf4+ since the Nd5 is pinned. But then a bad situation became terribly worse when Black tried to play 16 ... Qg6 and had to make a legal move instead, therefore 16 ... Qf6?? 17. exf6 losing instantly. (Correct was 16 ... Black Resigns.) The moral of this story = do not play 5 ... Nxd5?! period. |
|Jul-19-04|| ||Cyphelium: <tpstar> I think your line looks plausible; after 14.- Qg6 15. Bxd5+ cxd5 16. Qxd5+ Be6 17. Qxb7 white has 4 pawns for the piece. Still, after, say, 17.- Rhb8 18. Qf3+ Kg8 it looks rather unclear. So it's possible that (after 14.-Qg6) 15. Qf3+ could be an improvement: |
A/ 15.- Ke8 first seems to lose on the spot: 16. Bxd5 cxd5? (16.- Bg4? 17. Bf7+)17. Nxd5 threatens mate in one. Then 17.- Bd8 18. e6! Rf8 19. Qa3 (threat e7)is sweet for white. Also, 17.- Bd7 18. e6! is not too fun for black either. However, there is a better defence in 16.- Rf8 17. Be4 Qg5+ 18. Qe3 Qxe3+ 19. fxe3, though this certainly leads to a position where white has an edge (after all black has to pick up those pawns...)
B/ 15.- Kg8!? 16. Rxd5 and black has two options:
b1/ 16.- cxd5 17. Nxd5 Bg5+ 18. Kb1 Be6 19. Nf6+ gxf6 20. Bxe6+ Kf8 is quite forced. Now best is maybe 21. Rd1. One line is 21.- Qe8 22. exf6 Qxe6 23. Qxb7 Bxf6 24. Qxa8+ Kf7 25. Qxa7+, with 5 pawns for the piece.
b2/ 16.- Be6 17. Rd4 and white is two pawns up. True, black can win one of them back with 17.- Bxc4 (17.- Bc5?! 18. Rg4) 18. Rxc4 Qg5+ 19. Kb1! Qxe5, but his position looks very bad after 20. Re4, for example 20.- Qf6 21. Qe2 Bf8 22. Rd1.
C/ 15.- Qf5 16. Nxd5 cxd5 (16.- Qxf3? 17. Nxe7+ Kxe7 18. gxf3 and white has two pawns) 17. Bxd5+ Ke8 (17. -Be6?? 18. Qxf5+) 18. Qb3 and it seems to me white has good compensation for the piece (might follow up with Rd3 etc).
White seems to be on top in all these lines. What do you think?
|Jul-19-04|| ||tpstar: <Cyphelium> Very thorough! I have never seen a good game for Black after 5 ... Nxd5?! - they're all ugly cramped pieces-step-on-each-other's-toes defeats, with Black's King wandering around punch drunk in the center and that blasted Nd5 stuck in place. Surely there's at least one sound Black win out there, but I haven't looked too hard because this Two Knights fanatic plays 5 ... Na5 exclusively. Another demonstration of White's superiority stems from b1 with 19. Nf6+ Qxf6?! 20. exf6 Bxc4, then 21. Qxb7 wins the Ra8 due to mate on g7 and probably the Bc4 next, so that's busted. Also in c after 17. Bxd5+ Ke8 White has 18. Bxb7 with 4 Pawns after 18 ... Qxf3 19. Bxf3 Rb8 20. Bh5+ Kf8 21. f4 and Black has no play. Of course, it goes without saying that Black's King would be much safer on the Queenside! ;>D |
|Sep-11-05|| ||litevibe: If you like truly brilliant short games , you should check out Gedult's games!|
|Feb-03-06|| ||McCool: 16. ...Qf6? Black's Downfall
|Apr-22-06|| ||MorphyMatt: huh??|
|Jun-25-06|| ||RandomVisitor: Could Black have improved with 12...Bb4|
|Jul-06-06|| ||pazmo7: Quick analysis (please correct me if I am wrong !)
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5
<far much better than 5.. Nxd5>
6.Bb5+ Bd7 7.Qe2 Nxd5 8.Qxe5+ Qe7 9.Bxd7+ Kxd7 10.d4
[10.Qxe7+ Kxe7 11.0–0 Re8 12.a3 f6 13.Nf3 Kf7 <Is not that good for black but is not as bad as it is if 5..Nxd5>]
10...Qxe5+ 11.dxe5 Re8 12.0–0 Bc5 13.Nxf7 Rhf8 14.Ng5 Kc8 15.e6 h6 16.Ne4 Bb6 17.Nec3 Nxc3 18.Nxc3 Rxe6 <This fairly equal I think, so 10. d4 is not the best for white... better is 10.Qxe7 >
It is true if Black doesn't nlunder in 5.. Nxd5 he is ok ..
|Jul-06-06|| ||pazmo7: <RandomVisitor:> Yes I believe he does after.. |
12.. Bb4 13. dxe5 Bxc3 14.bxc3 Qg5 15.0-0 b5 16Bxd5+ cxd5 17.Qd4 Bb7
|Jan-25-09|| ||WhiteRook48: Black was stubborn to not resign! even though he was losing SO MUCH!!|
|Mar-16-11|| ||enkmet: Taking in account just the last few of the white's moves it seems to me that 22.Qxf6+ is far superior to the actual 22.Qd6, which invites unnecessary complications after 22. ...Rh7.
22.Qxf6 Kc7; 23.Rxd7 Kxd7 (23. ...Kb8; 24.Qd6#); 24.Qe7#.
This is my first comment on CG though, so if there is an actual clear line after 22.Qd6 I apologise to all for the unnecessary reading (and for the grammatical mistakes).|
|Mar-14-12|| ||soberknight: serious ownage.|