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|Jan-25-05|| ||hartkoka: [Q] (Q) <Q>
hi, can you tell me in keyboard which type of bracket to use for Queen symbol?
oh, ok i know it now, thanks a lot :)
|Apr-11-05|| ||Zaius: What is the purpose of 17.b1? I really don't understand why it would be better than 17.xe7.|
17.b1 invites 17...d7 which somewhat defuses the situation (although leaving black at a disadvantage - one not as considerable as it would have been had white played 17.xe7, I believe)
|Apr-11-05|| ||Zaius: 19.d5?? Even ignoring the fact that 19.e5+ wins a queen straight up, 19.d5 asks for a queen exchange to completely stall white's attack and put him down in material. |
|Apr-11-05|| ||crucify: wow people on this site are dumb if they think from move 17 on actually happened. |
|Apr-11-05|| ||crucify: seelyons seems to be the only person with a brain looking at these games and he is correct. seelyons showed how the game actually went.. |
|Apr-11-05|| ||crucify: well 17 for black had to be Qa6 it is forced.. seelyons is right |
|Apr-11-05|| ||crucify: zaius did you read seelyons comments?
the real game is on www.academicchess.com and you can see why Rxe7 is not playable smarty.
|Apr-11-05|| ||InspiredByMorphy: <BeautyInChess> Thanks for the analysis. 19. ...Qxd5 20.Rd5+ Qd6 wins. Of course we must give credit where credit is due. Paul Morphy played a good game up until this point and he was only 12 years old. |
<PinkPanther> <Fritz 4.0 hahahaha> Did you even bother to read the analysis provided? If you did you would see that it is correct.
|Apr-11-05|| ||Zaius: <crucify: you can see why Rxe7 is not playable smarty.>|
Not playable? You must be joking... Regardless of which game is real, 17.xe7+ in this game is more than playable.
Analysis by Deep Fritz 8:
1. (9.89): 17.xe7+ f8 18.e5 xf2+ 19.h1 xe5 20.xe5+ g8 21.xa5 h6 22.f5 b6 23.d7
2. (7.52): 17.xe7 d7 18.h4+ e6 19.a4+ c6 20.g5 0-0 21.xe6 h6 22.xc6 hxg5
3. (2.90): 17.b1 d7 18.xe7+
|Apr-12-05|| ||SBC: .|
Philip W. Sergeant gives:
[Event "casual game"]
[Site "New Orleans"]
[White "Morphy, Paul"]
[Black "Morphy, Alonzo"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Bc5 6. d4 exd4 7. cxd4 Bb6
8. O-O Na5 9. Bd3 d5 10. exd5 Qxd5 11. Ba3 Be6 12. Nc3 Qd7 13. d5 Bxd5 14.
Nxd5 Qxd5 15. Bb5+ Qxb5 16. Re1+ Ne7 17. Rb1 Qa6 18. Rxe7+ Kf8 19. Qd5 Qc4
20. Rxf7+ Kg8 21. Rf8#
Paul Morphy was 12 years old and arguably already the world's strongest player. Judge Morphy wasn't as strong as Ernest Morphy.
|Apr-14-05|| ||SBC: <chessgames.com>
The score on this game, as demonstated below, is wrong. It's nonesensical as it stands and contrary to the one Sergeant gives in Morphy's Games of Chess (listed below).
Also the game, Blackburne vs Lowenthal, 1898 , must also be incorrect either in it's date or in one (or both) of the opponents since Lowenthal died in 1876.
|Jan-10-06|| ||morpstau: Why not 7...bb4+??? this move in my opinion equalizes for black and leaves white dumbstruck and with little compensation for the pawn! Alonzo this is your son not chessmaster 10,000. Morphy tears his father up like a whimpering rag doll in this battle! Just a shame, but goes to show What a genious in Morphy we would never know.|
|Jan-14-06|| ||morpstau: Killer attack|
|Mar-21-07|| ||Rubenus: <chesslayer> I play on RHP as Anakin Skywalker.|
|May-24-07|| ||brainchild: I just love morphys games. The man was a real genius.|
|Nov-03-07|| ||D4n: This is one of the best end games I've seen. There is nothing like a double check, that turns out to be ++.|
|Jan-21-08|| ||JimmyVermeer: Judging by the conversations on here, it seems that the game was previously recorded incorrectly but has since been fixed.|
Master of Sacrifice, which book are you using? I have Sergeant's book, which gives White's 17th move as Rb1 and Black's 17th move as a6 (not a3 as AdrianP says), which is in agreement with what SBC and seelyons have posted.
crucify, just because people were given bad information doesn't make them dumb.
By the way, you are incorrect to say that a6 was forced on Black's 17th move. There are a number of better moves: 0-0, c5, d4, e3, xf2+, c5, c6, g6, h6, f8, b3, c4, c6, c4, c5, c6, d7, e2, e5 (as previously recorded), f1+, f5, g5, h5, and xb1. a6 gives White a forced mate in 6.
|Oct-07-09|| ||joeleflores: After 15. Qxb5, the game is already a lost cause for black.|
|Oct-12-09|| ||tentsewang: As you can see that even though the black's pieces are ready to take off the attackers, Morphy displayed an amazing finish with a double checkmate.|
|Oct-23-11|| ||Llawdogg: Twelve years old!|
|Jun-16-12|| ||backrank: This is one of the games Réti uses in 'Modern Ideas in Chess' to characterize Morphy's style. First Réti makes the general remark '(...) that his [Morphy's] opponents were unacquainted with the principle that the opening of the game was favorable to the side with the better development, and further that those opponents whose development was defective, in advancing pawns with the object of freeing their position only opened up avenues of mobility for the pieces of the other player.'
As to the above game, Réti compares the bad line-opener (9. ... d5) by Black to the good line-opener 13. d5! by White. Specifically, he comments on Black's 9th move (... d5):|
'A mistaken advance of the pawn which opens the e-file for White's rook and the diagonal a3-f8 for White's queen bishop; a better move was 9. ... d6.'
And on White's 13th move (d5):
'This characteristic pawn sacrifice opens the d-file.'
BTW, Réti concludes the game after 16. Re1+ 'and White wins.'
Of course, ... 17. Rxe7+ and 18. Re5+ is easiest, and the whole discussion about the actual game score is somewhat pointless IMHO, since a contemporary opponent, even if being a relatively weak amateur, would resign after Re1+ anyway.
The real beauty of the game lies in the pawn sac 13. d5!!
|Jun-16-12|| ||Calli: <Of course, ... 17. Rxe7+ and 18. Re5+ is easiest> but 18...c5 saves the Q. That's what young Paul saw.|
|Jun-16-12|| ||backrank: Indeed, I totally overlooked c5 ... sometimes I'm quite superficial in my analysis! Maybe then 18. Rb1 is easiest, leading to the game continuation if Black doesn't want to lose the queen (a6 being the only square where she's safe from the threatened discovered check).|
|Jun-16-12|| ||AVRO38: Poor Alonzo never had a chance. He must have been a very proud papa.|
|Jun-17-12|| ||backrank: Probably only the games won by Paul were recorded and published ;)|
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