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Carl Hamppe vs Wilhelm Steinitz
Vienna (1859)
Vienna Game: Vienna Gambit. Main Line (C29)  ·  0-1
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Oct-10-06  bernardchinshin: Can White play 16. Kc1?
Oct-10-06  sneaky pete: <bernardchinshin> If 16.Kc1 Ba3+ 17.Rb2 Rxd2 looks winning.

White should have played 10.Qe1 .. with approximate equality.

Oct-10-06  bernardchinshin: Thanks, sneaky pete. If 10. Qe1, there are two other games in this archive which Black won. You can find them by clicking on "find similar games".
Oct-10-06  bernardchinshin: Chessical. In your line, I was thinking of this variation.

21. Kc1 Ba3+ 22. Rb2 Qb5 23.Qd2 Bxb2+
24. Kd1
What do you think Black has?

Oct-11-06  sneaky pete: 15... Rxd2+ 16.Qxd2 Qxf3+ would have been the no-nonsense approach.
Dec-10-06
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  Chessical: <bernardchinshin> Thank you for your comments, and sorry about the delay in replying. In the line:

<16.Be2> Rxd2+! 17.Kxd2 Qe3+ 18.Kd1 Rd8+ 19.Bd3 Rxd3+ 20.cxd3 Qxd3+

then <21. Kc1> Ba3+ 22. Rb2 Qb5 23.Qd2 <Qc6!> hitting the Rh1 wins outright, e.g. 24.Kd1 Qxh1 25.Ke2 Bxb2 and Black cannot recapture without losing his Q.

If 24.Kb1 then all Black has is a hopelessly lost ending such as after 24...Qxh1 25.Kc2 Qe4+ 26.Kb3 b5 27.Qa5 Qd3+

Mar-27-07  timhortons: steinitz,lasker, and alekhine all lived and died virtually penniless, they were the father of these sport... in these age of virtual world many people are makin money out of the sport they nurture to grow...
May-14-07
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  fm avari viraf: A very instructive game by the former World champion Steinitz. It's full of tactics & pyrotechnics. It is sad to know that all these great chess players Steinitz, Lasker, Alekhine & many who lived in poverty & misfortune died penniless but had they all had money they would have not contributed so much as they did. "In adversity we strive & fight but in luxury we revel" Avari.
Jun-16-07  syracrophy: 16... ♖xd2+!! <16...{Qxh1 is also decisive, but Steinitz prefers this sequence that will destroy all of White's defenses> 17.♔xd2 ♖d8+ 18.♔c1 <The alternative was 18.♕d3<If 18.♔e1 ♕c3+ is crushing> 18...♖xd3+ 19.♗xd3 ♗b4+! 20.c3 ♕f2+ 21.♗e2 ♕d4+! 22.♗d3 ♕xc3+ 23.♔e2 ♕d2+ and wins the ♗> 18...♗a3+ 19.♖b2 ♕c3! 20.♗h3+ <Trying to protect the first rank with the rook, but Steinitz has it all calculated...> 20...♔b8 21.♕b5<...and the mate appears after a simple sequence> 21...♕d2+ 22.♔b1 ♕d1+! 23.♖xd1 ♖xd1# 0-1
Jun-16-07  syracrophy: 11.gxf3 ♘xe5 <Recovers the pawn, but better and more precise was 11...f6!> 12.dxe5?? <The decisive mistake. The capture of the knight wasn't forced. Correct was 12.♕e1! ♕xe1+ <12...♕h5 13.dxe5 ♕xe5 14.♔f2 ♗c5+ 15.♔g2 and there's no enough compensation for the piece>13.♖xe1 ♘g6 and Black has just a slight advantage> 12...♗c5 <Threatening mate on f2. From now on, the attack is unstoppable until mate> 13.♕e1 ♕c4+! 14.♔d1 ♕xc3 15.♖b1 ♕xf3+ 16.♕e2 <This will allow a charming combination. White's position was hopeless anyways.

a) 16.♔c1 ♗a3+ 17.♖b2 ♗xb2+ 18.♔xb2 ♖xd2! 19.♕xd2 ♕xh1

b) 16.♗e2 ♕xd2+! 17.♔xd2 ♕e3+ 18.♔d1 ♖d8+ 19.♗d3 ♖xd3+! 20.cxd3 ♕xd3+ 21.♔c1 ♗a3+ 22.♖b2 ♕b5! 23.♕e4 ♕xb2+ 24.♔d1 ♗b4 and Black has three pawns for the exchange, with a strong attack>

Jun-16-07  syracrophy: Carl Hamppe - Wilhelm Steinitz
Viena, 1859

1.e4 e5 2.♘c3 ♘f6 3.f4 d5 4.exd5 ♘xd5 5.fxe5? <A serious mistake that will leave unprotected the king on the kingside. Correct was 5.♘xd5 ♕xd5 6.fxe5 ♘c6 7.♘f3 ♗g4 8.♗e2 ♘xe5 9.0-0 ♗c5+ 10.♔h1 and besides Black has better development, White has a position without weaknesses> 5... ♘xc3 6.bxc3 ♕h4+! 7.♔e2 ♗g4+! <Much better than trying to recover the pawn with 7...♕e4+ 8.♔f2 ♕xe5 9.♘f3 freeing White's game> 8.♘f3 ♘c6 9.d4 O-O-O 10.♗d2? <It was necessary to play 10.♕e1! ♕h5 11.♔f2 but after 11...f6!, the exposed situation of the White king gives Black enough compensation> 10...♗xf3+? <Black missed 10...♖xd4!! 11.cxd4 ♘xd4+ 12.♔d3 ♗f5+ 13.♔c3 ♘xf3! 14.♔b2 ♕d4+ 15.c3 ♕b6+ 16.♕b3 ♕f2 and Black has a huge material advantage>

Jun-16-07  syracrophy: Black missed 10...♖xd4!! winning in the act

<<<<>>>A)> 11.cxd4 ♘xd4+ 12.♔d3 <If 12.Ke3 Nxf3 13.gxf3 Bc5+ 14.Ke2 Qf2+ 15.Kd3 Qd4+ 16.Ke2 Qe4+! and mate> 12...♗f5+ 13.♔c3 <Loses faster 13.Ke3 Nxf3 14.Qxf3 Bc5+ 15.Ke2 Bg4 > 13...♘xf3! 14.♔b2 ♕d4+ 15.c3 <Is not better 15.Bc3 Qb6+ 16.Kc1 Ba3+ and mate> 15...♕b6+ 16.♕b3 ♕f2 and Black has a huge advantage

<<<<>>>B)>11.♕e1 ♖e4+ 12.♗e3 ♕h5 13.♔f2 ♗c5 winning

May-07-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  keypusher: <During these few years [Steinitz] had much practice with Herr Hammppe [sic], the inventor of the opening named sometimes after himself, sometimes after the city in which he played. Hammppe frequently played out his king towards the centre of the board, in certain phases of the game. Here undoubtedly is to be traced the original inception of the "Steinitz Gambit," to the improvement of which the great player has devoted so much labour.>

<The Games of the St. Petersburg Tournament 1895-1896>, p. 6.

May-08-08
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  Calli: In his Rolling Stone interview, Hamppe blamed his King marches on "bad dope". When he accidentally beat Willy, he told Steinitz that it was a strategy he was developing. He just didn't want the young man to be discouraged by the defeat. "I was surprised as anyone when the thing became trendy" Hamppe claimed.

:->

May-08-08
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  keypusher: Herr Hemp, perhaps?
May-10-08
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  Calli: In a obligatory Rolling Stone Anne Leibowitz nude photo, some rather suspicious vegetation was judiciously employed. (all apologies to the Hamppe family)

On a serious note, Steinitz had this to say on his old friend's death in 1876:

"....his countrymen, Kolisch and Steinitz, are greatly indebted for their later success to their having enjoyed early opportunities of practicing with the departed amateur whose death is also greatly deplored amongst all who knew him personally" - W. Steinitz

Sep-06-08  just a kid: Even though Steinitz missed some earlier wins.This is a good game by him.
Aug-10-09  birthtimes: Lasker makes the following comments..."Not 5. Nxd5 Qxd5 6. fxe5. Oh, dear, no! That would have been considered dull."

"If 11. Kxf3, Rxd4 would most certainly have followed."

"The idea 12. Qe1 was repressed; such a move would have been considered shameful."

Lasker's Manual of Chess, 1960, p. 193.

Aug-10-10
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  GrahamClayton: Hikara Nakumuara was brave enough to try the same opening against Alexander Onischuk in the 2010 US Championship, varying with 9.♕e1 instead of 9.d4:

Nakamura vs Onischuk, 2010

Jan-07-14  MarkFinan:


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Who would have spotted/thought that 10.Bd2? was the losing move here?

Jan-07-14  john barleycorn: <Mark> I am anxiously awaiting your webpage and youtube video. :-)
Jan-07-14  MarkFinan: Lol. You'll be having a long bloody wait my friend! Anyways, how can I compete with "One of the most respected chess historians in the world!!!" 😜
Jan-07-14  john barleycorn: <Anyways, how can I compete with "One of the most respected chess historians in the world!!!">

Winter is making webpages and videos????

Aug-28-17  Toribio3: Wow! Genius.
Aug-28-17  WorstPlayerEver: 10... Rd4 11. cd4 Nd4 12. Kd3 Bf5 13. Kc3 Nf3 14. Kb2 Qd4 15. c3 Qb6 16. Qb3 Qf2 17. Rd1 Nd2 18. Qb5 Nf1 19. Ka1


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in this position Black can give up the Knight and still has a win, but there's a better move...

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