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H Reinle vs NN
Murnau (1936)
Vienna Game: Vienna Gambit (C28)  ·  1-0


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  agb2002: White has the bishop pair and a pawn for a bishop and a knight.

The whole black position is a tribute to weakness. In particular, the position of the black king is very unsafe. This suggests, 13.Qxe6+ Kb8 14.Nd7+ Kc8 15.Nxf8+ winning a piece at least.

However, the position looks more promising than a mere piece win. Actually, the position is similar to that of Boden's mate. Hence, 13.Qxc6+ Kb8 (13... bxc6 14.Ba6+ Kb8 15.Nxc6#) 14.Nd7+ Qxd7 15.Qxd7, etc.

Aug-16-11  standardwisdom: <Once: So much so that you never come back for the brunette. >

Well, I have nothing against Brunettes, but I do want to say that Qxc6 may not be a mate in 2 either. For example:

13. Qxc6 Kb8 14. Nd7+ Qxd7 15. Qxd7 a6

Or is there something else about the Brunette that I am missing? Perhaps she is tall?

Aug-16-11  JoergWalter: <ProjectR: 13.Qxc6 ..bxc6 (or kb8 which results in material loss and a slightly more prolonged death) 14.kb6+ ..kb8 15.Nxc6#.. Now time to see where black went wrong so quickly!> Happened in move3: exf4 4. e5 Black is immediately in hot water.
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  chrisowen: C6l utter delight reins in sloopy NN bill it jeck...
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  Once: <standardwisdom> True, true. So not only did I miss a mate in two, it turns out it wasn't even a mate in two! I am doubly blind today.

Then again, the only way to avoid the mate in 2 is for black to sacrifice his queen. Which makes it almost nearly practically ought-to-be a mate - in a I-can't-believe-it's-not-butter sort of way.

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  turbo231: Missed it, I played 13.Qxc6+ also. Even after trying to find a better move, I thought this move was good as it gets. WRONG!

Is, I didn't spend enough time searching for a better move my only defense? But I still searched for a better move, how much time should I allow for Tuesday's puzzle? In this case I didn't allow enough.

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  Marmot PFL: 13 Qxe6+ is so obvious it can't be right, therefore look for a sacrifice...
Aug-16-11  sfm: <turbo231: Missed it, I played 13.Qxc6+ also. Even after trying to find a better move, I thought this move was good as it gets. WRONG!> Right. If you like to see the opponent suffer from a lost position as long time as possible 13.Qxc6+ is indeed a bit of a blunder.
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  patzer2: The short mate-in-three with 13. Qxc6+! utilizes the clearance and deflection tactics as supporting themes in forcing a quick end to the game and solving today's Tuesday puzzle.
Aug-16-11  brainzugzwang: <sevenseaman ... 13. Nxc6 bxc6 (No escape from taking the N)>

I'm not seeing that Black has to take the N -- after Nxc6, what about 13...Qxd6? Poor NN can then answer the double check 14. Ne7++ with Kd7, and while he's down material, I don't see an immediate crush (plus White has to find a bailout for the N).

Aug-16-11  Nullifidian: 13. ♕xc6

13... ♕c7 loses in 1, 13... ♙bxc6 loses in 2 (14. ♗a6+ ♔b8 15. ♘xc6#) and 13... ♔b8 loses the queen (14. ♘d7+).

Aug-16-11  dufferps: I was too hasty in posting that black would (necessarily) respond 13. ... bxc6 after 13. Qxc6+. The alternative is 13. ... Kb8. 14. Nd7+ Qxd7 15. Qxd7 a6
From this point I see no quick checkmate, but white's material advantage just about guarantees a win. Still, the game is a long way from over.
Aug-16-11  Artsemthon: 13.Qxc6+ and now:

a) 13...Qc7 14.Qxc7#
b) 13...bxc6 14.Ba6+ Kb8 15.Nxc6#
c) 13...Kb8 14.Nd7+ Qxd7 15.Qxd7.

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  Patriot: <brainzugzwang> How about if 13.Nxc6 Qxd6, then 14.Ne5+ looks winning.

A) 14...Kd8 15.Nf7+ wins the queen.

B) 14...Qc7 15.Qxc7+ Kxc7 16.Nf7

C) 14...Qc5 15.Qxc5 Bxc5 16.Nf7

D) 14...Kb8 15.Nf7

14.Ne7+ doesn't look best in that line. I don't think black has a good response to 13.Nxc6.

A) 13...Qh4+ 14.g3

B) 13...Qd7 14.Ne5+

Aug-16-11  einuj: I can't resist this time - it really ain't much of a puzzle if the side to win is already wining in both position and material.
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  turbo231: Actually it's a mate in 12, I matched Houdini verses Crafty and it took 12 moves to mate Crafty.

The black King ended up on the fourth rank mated by the Rook on the A file. It was a wild one, these computer chess engines are something else. No wonder I couldn't see a quick mate because there wasn't one!

Then there's Rybka verses Houdini from the same position, it's still going on as we speak. Set at 20 moves in 35 minutes repeating, I wonder how this is going to turn out? They're on the ninth move now and still going.

Rybka is white, 11 moves end in sight... I think everyone gets the picture.

13.Qxe6+ doesn't look that bad after all. 13 moves....16....maybe 6 more moves to mate.

Mate in 21 moves.

So it doesn't really matter Qxe6+ or Qxc6+.

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  morfishine: Reinle is in Chernev's "1000 Best Short Games of CHess" but not this game.
Aug-16-11  charms: If you don't see this, you should rethink your ambitions in chess.
Aug-16-11  The17thPawn: <Charms> - Ok so I went for the windmill like several others and missed the best version. Must I surrender all of my chess ambitions?:)
Aug-16-11  stst: 13.Qxe6+ Kb8
(nothing to take Q,
Q blocks ==> killed by N
and also mated by QxQ, followd
by Qc7# supported by P.)
14.Nf7 forks Q&R and
actually Bk Q has no escape
but killed by N, or
if ...Qc8, 15.Pd7 Qc7
16.P=>Q+ and Bk Q is lost!!
Aug-16-11  WhiteRook48: 13 Qxc6+ bxc6 14 Ba6+ followed by 15 Nxc6# is a total killer. Poor NN...
Aug-16-11  HowDoesTheHorsieMove: Turbo231:<Then there's Rybka verses Houdini from the same position, it's still going on as we speak. Set at 20 moves in 35 minutes repeating, I wonder how this is going to turn out?>

Houdini shows an evaluation of over 30, so I think not well for black.

I looked at the position this morning and didn't see the solution. I came back several times during the day until at last I found it. I long ago gave up any chess ambitions.

Aug-16-11  LIFE Master AJ: 13.QxN/c6+! (M in 3)
Aug-17-11  brainzugzwang: <Patriot> I belive you are correct, sir. Did not see the idea of the N going after the entombed KR. Black is toast.
Aug-17-11  brainzugzwang: <dufferps ... The alternative is 13. ... Kb8. 14. Nd7+ Qxd7 15. Qxd7 a6. From this point I see no quick checkmate, but white's material advantage just about guarantees a win. Still, the game is a long way from over.>

Not that it's hard to suggest moves for White when he's a whole Q up, but 16. g3, threatening Bg2 followed by Qxb7#; and if 16...f3, then d3 followed by Qc7+ and Be3#.

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