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|Dec-16-04|| ||northbridge: White had two lines of attack, queen & bishop and the two rooks on the h file. Rh8 Bxh8 Nh6+ was quite obvious since it allowed for an attack on the f7 pawn, but combining the moves took me a few minutes. |
|Dec-16-04|| ||Nickisimo: I suppose I got this wrong since I was trying 25. Bxf7+ Qxf7 26. Rh8+ Bxh8 27. Rxh8+ Kxh8 28. Qxf7, and then winning one of the 2 Bishops...but mate is better than that I suppose. I'm not very good at chess. :( |
|Dec-16-04|| ||Buffy the Slayer: (Calculoso) Congrats on being the thousandth idiot who feels compelled to say "FIRST TO POST!" |
|Dec-16-04|| ||patzer2: Today's 24. ♗xf7+ puzzle solution can be categorized as either a "deflection" or "knight fork" tactic. It is probably best classified as deflection, since it simply uses the Knight Fork 26. ♘h6+ as a key forcing (i.e. deflection) move to create the final mating position. However, for instructional purposes, and to emphasize the importance of the Knight Fork as a potential deflection tactic, I have added it to both my knight fork and deflection collections.|
Consolidating all the mating possibilities discussed for 24. ♗xf7+, plus a couple of other minor possibilities, yields 24. ♗xf7+ ♕xf7 25. ♖h8+ ♗xh8 26. ♘h6+ (26...Kg7 27. Qxf7#) 26...♔h7 27. ♕xf7+ ♗g7 28. ♕g8# (28. Ng4#; 28. Ng5+ Kh8 29. Qg8#).
|Dec-16-04|| ||Calculoso: Yo, chill with the spite. I was just keeping alive a tradition that has seemed to continue with every POTD. In the words of one of my good friends, chill out playa(s).|
<thebfsg> Thanks for the minor correction. I suppose it truly isn't mate yet with the interposition to come (though it comes soon after).
<be3292> If I didn't make mistakes when providing some analysis on chess games, I needn't be making use of this site.
|Dec-16-04|| ||Calculoso: But anyways, when the blank page is staring you in the face on one of these puzzles, it feels forced, like writing on the page of standardized tests that says "DO NOT WRITE IN THIS AREA." |
|Dec-16-04|| ||patzer2: <Calculoso> I saw nothing wrong with your post. You solved the problem, following up with the correct moves, and displayed some appropriate enthusiasm. After 27. Qxf7+ , it is so close to mate that your 27. Qxf7 ++ could be understood, as I did, to mean "with an obvious mate quickly following." |
|Dec-16-04|| ||mikejaqua: Somebody let me know if I'm wrong but it looks like 24. Nf6+ will win too. Maybe it's not the most efficient way though. |
|Dec-16-04|| ||chopbox: <mikejaqua> I don't see it. What do you imagine after 24...Bxf6 ? The B (now on f6) still guards the h8 square. |
|Dec-16-04|| ||Calculoso: <patzer2> Thanks.
Also thanks for your game collections - I find myself looking at them frequently for some nice tactics.
|Dec-16-04|| ||lipschutz: Elegant puzzle...Bxf7+ and Rh8+ are obvious first moves once one is told a winning sequence is possible - the surprise is that they are both part of the solution. |
|Dec-16-04|| ||kevin86: This one looked like an Anastasia mate-but it turned into a knight fork on the queen.It is still elegant,however. |
|Dec-16-04|| ||samvega: <it feels forced, like writing on the page of standardized tests that says "DO NOT WRITE IN THIS AREA.">|
or like writing your name in the snow when you pee
|Dec-16-04|| ||masterwojtek: I dont "Kib" a lot here but I am a frequent guest to this site.|
I just want to point out that we should be grateful to have people like <patzer2>. They make the world a better place to live in.
|Dec-16-04|| ||trguitar: <mikejaqua> Nf6+ wins, but does not force a mate like the text move does. |
|Dec-16-04|| ||jkiipli: <trguitar> how can one win without mate? do you have something like convincing the opponent to resign in mind? what if opponent does not agree to resign?
well...I was just joking, don't take it seriously. by the way I saw the moves but missed 26.Nh6+ and thus got nuthin just like Nickisimo did. That's why I'm no good, I calculate this and that but tend to miss the key moves. |
|Dec-16-04|| ||EnglishOpeningc4: <Buffy> Welcome and what a touching first post |
|Dec-16-04|| ||johnwgoes: How about the solution: 24. Rh8+ Bxh8 25. Bxf7+ Qxf7 26. Nh6+! ? |
|Dec-16-04|| ||GreenDayGuy: <How about the solution: 24. Rh8+ Bxh8 25. Bxf7+ Qxf7 26. Nh6+!>
That would work also, and even wins quicker.
26. QXQ+ Bg7
27. Qg8 mate
26. QXQ mate
Your combonation seems to win a lot quicker, and looks cooler.
|Dec-16-04|| ||tpstar: <johnwgoes> The crucial importance of move order! White has to play 24. Bxf7+! first (forcing 24 ... Qxf7) because 24. Rh8+?? Bxh8 25. Bxf7+ Kg7 spoils it. Double check your combinations for escape squares. |
|Dec-16-04|| ||patzer2: <masterwojtek> Thanks for the compliment. The Chess community here at <Chessgames.com> is, in my opinion, the best Chess site on the web, due to the outstanding efforts of those who maintain this site and the thoughtful contributions and mutal respect demonstrated by the chess fans (ranging from GMs to novices) who visit here. |
|Dec-16-04|| ||GreenDayGuy: That's true also, but the king's insecure position and no defenders more than makes up for the minus material. After
25... Kg7, there are a few ways to answer. For instance,
25. BXP+ Kg7
26. Ng5 RXN
27. Ne6+ NXN
28. QXN QXB
29. Rh7+ KXR
30. QXQ+ Bg7
31. QXB winning or
26. Ng5 PXN
27. f3 PXP
28. PXP Re7
29. Ne6+ NXN
30. BXN RXB
31. QXR BXP
32. Qe7+ Qf7
33. Rh7+! KXR
34. QXQ+ also winnig
|Dec-16-04|| ||tpstar: <GreenDayGuy> It's good to analyze other possibilities, however this line is the wrong track. After 24. Rh8+?? Bxh8 25. Bxf7+ Kg7 26. Ng5? Rxg4 27. Ne6+ Nxe6 28. Qxe6 Bd5 is decisive, or 28. Bxe6 Qf4+ 29. Kb1 Qa4 gets Queens off with an easy win. Also 27. Rh7+ Kf6! (27 ... Nxh7!? 28. Ne6+) 28. Bg8 doesn't work due to 28 ... Qf4+ 29. Kb1 c4 ending the attack (30. Rf7+ Kxg5). |
|Dec-16-04|| ||GreenDayGuy: Oh well. This line seemed good at first, but i guess the correct answer is the simple win. |
|Dec-17-04|| ||mikejaqua: My typo yesterday. I meant Nh6+. |
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