chessgames.com
Members · Prefs · Laboratory · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing
Warner de Weerd vs Olga Karteri
"A Weerd Game" (game of the day Jun-25-2016)
Corinth Open (2000), Corinth GRE, rd 4, Jul-28
Sicilian Defense: Old Sicilian. Open (B32)  ·  1-0

ANALYSIS [x]

FEN COPIED

explore this opening
find similar games 22 more games of W de Weerd
sac: 20.Qh7 PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: You can make these tips go away by registering a free account then visiting your preferences page. Simply check the option "Don't show random tips on game pages." and click the Update Profile button at the bottom.

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with this chess viewer, please see the Olga Chess Viewer Quickstart Guide.
PREMIUM MEMBERS CAN REQUEST COMPUTER ANALYSIS [more info]

Kibitzer's Corner
Jun-25-16  castleguy12: what was this weerd game all about? Its not weird at all...
Jun-25-16  Honey Blend: 31. ... ♕xf1+ 32. ♔xf1 ♗xa3 33. cxd4 looks like an interesting possibility.


click for larger view

Jun-25-16  Moszkowski012273: Maybe 29...g5?
Jun-25-16  AlicesKnight: 25.Bc1 is striking, the bishop returns home, to reappear in an unexpected direction shortly. This after White traps his own Q in the corner and leans on the pins to keep alive.
Jun-25-16  Smothered Mate: At 35 ply, Stockfish evaluates <Honey Blend>'s ​ suggestion ​ 31. ... Qxf1+ ​ as [+0.00], which is tied for best with Qe2,g5,Qxc3.

31. ... Qxf3 ​ gives black an essentially-forced perpetual: ​
Stockfish says white's best way of avoiding it is Qf4, ​
which just drops the Ba3, and evaluates as [-46.48] at 25 ply. ​




Accordingly, here's a little bit of Stockfish analysis ​
for black trying to win with ​ 31. ... Qxf1+ :



32. Kxf1 ​ is the only move that doesn't allow mate-in-1.

At 26 ply, everything other than ​ 32. ... Bxa3 ​
evaluates as [+3.62] or better for white.

At 30 ply for whites move #33, cxd4 evaluates as [+0.00], ​
g4 evaluates as [-0.31], and everything else
​evaluates as [-0.93] or better for black.

At 31 ply for black's move #33, Bc1 and Rf8 evaluate as [+0.00], and everything else evaluates as [+0.97] or better for white.

However, if ​ 33. ... Bc1 ​ then white has g4, since if the Bf5 ​
moves then white gets a perpetual on e5 and c7 and c7. ​
After g4, black's moves that leave the Bf5 there
​evaluate as [+2.96] or better for white at 25 ply.

Thus, I will assume black plays ​ ​ ​ 33. ... Rf8 ​ . ​
(from the position ​ <Honey Blend> ​ gave a diagram of)

At 34 ply, Stockfish gives d5 and g4 as tied for white's best move #34, with evaluations of [+0.00] when the next-best is [-0.26]. ​




Summary of the ​ 31. ... Qxf1+ ​ analysis: ​
It seems like white should get a draw from there.

Jun-25-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  maxi: This IS one peculiar game.
Jun-25-16  catlover: I guess this game is a bit weird, especially if mistakes contribute to weirdness. Really, black should have won. As pointed out above, 31...Qxf1+ would have drawn the game. But before 29...Bc4 black was better and should have won. Maybe 29...Pg5 followed by ...Bf6 would have broken the pin on the f-file.

I thought for a while that white could have picked off the Knight on e4 on move 28, but it turns out that the Knight was not exactly free: 28. Qxe4 Qxf1+, 29. Kxf1 Bxe4 and white is still in trouble.

Jun-25-16  TimothyLucasJaeger: On the contrary, mistakes are perhaps the most normal thing a chess game can contain.
Jun-26-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  maxi: Perhaps weirdness of a chess game resides in an uncommon chess position or infrequent tactics. A mistake in such a situation may be called "weird" by association.
Jun-27-16  kevin86: Black has a discovered check, but the bishop will fall, anyway.

NOTE: Create an account today to post replies and access other powerful features which are available only to registered users. Becoming a member is free, anonymous, and takes less than 1 minute! If you already have a username, then simply login login under your username now to join the discussion.

Please observe our posting guidelines:

  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, duplicate, or gibberish posts.
  3. No vitriolic or systematic personal attacks against other members.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
  5. No cyberstalking or malicious posting of negative or private information (doxing/doxxing) of members.
  6. No trolling.
  7. The use of "sock puppet" accounts to circumvent disciplinary action taken by moderators, create a false impression of consensus or support, or stage conversations, is prohibited.
  8. Do not degrade Chessgames or any of it's staff/volunteers.

Please try to maintain a semblance of civility at all times.

Blow the Whistle

See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform a moderator.


NOTE: Please keep all discussion on-topic. This forum is for this specific game only. To discuss chess or this site in general, visit the Kibitzer's Café.

Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of Chessgames.com, its employees, or sponsors.
All moderator actions taken are ultimately at the sole discretion of the administration.

This game is type: CLASSICAL. Please report incorrect or missing information by submitting a correction slip to help us improve the quality of our content.

Home | About | Login | Logout | F.A.Q. | Profile | Preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | New Kibitzing | Chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | Notable Games | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | Privacy Notice | Contact Us

Copyright 2001-2025, Chessgames Services LLC