Paul Morphy vs NN (1850) The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier

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Paul Morphy vs NN
"The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier" (game of the day Apr-12-2010)
Odds game (Ra1) (1850) (unorthodox), New Orleans, LA USA
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Oct-16-13		fkahlo: <jnpope> Ok i menage to get some information. Author is Moritz Porges. Im not sure about title because it is in Czech but as my grandfather told me its something like "Less known games of Paul Morphy" (he knows Czech but not perfectly) Year of publication is 1900

Oct-16-13		jnpope: I can't seem to find any listing for a Morphy book from 1900 through the Cleveland Public Library website. Can you post the title in Czech?

Oct-16-13		jnpope: re: Whitehead database sources 09559 is our target game Illustrated London News: 1853.01.01: Whitehead games 10503 and 10504 1855.01.06: Whitehead game 09585 1856.01.05: Whitehead game 09623 1857.01.03: Whitehead games 09641 and 09642 Looks like 1852 or 1854 are the best bets. I don't have an online source for the Illustrated London News 1852 or 1854, so I'll have to make a trip to the library in the future (unless someone has a source and finds it first). But I feel strongly it will turn up in the Illustrated London News.

Oct-16-13		fkahlo: <jnpope> Mene znamy partie z Paul Morphy

Oct-17-13		jnpope: Is that a google translation of "Less known games of Paul Morphy" or is that the actual title printed on the book? I'm looking for the actual title to see if I can locate a copy.

Oct-17-13		jnpope: No Morphy listing for Porges at the Library of Congress, Cleveland Public Library, or in Lawson's bibliography. Also no record at the National Library of the Czech Republic: http://aleph.nkp.cz/F/BLE4KTJJPIJ6Y... And a general internet search turns up nothing. <fkahlo> Can you acquire a copy of this book?

Oct-17-13		redwhitechess: how about this game, Morphy vs NN also a rook odd but the writer said the notation got error or something: http://ageofchess.blogspot.com/2013...

Oct-17-13		fkahlo: <jnpope> This is an actual title. I had a book in my hands yesterday in a library at a university where my grandfather worked. But if you are thinking of me getting it out of there forget it. He does not let even me to borrow this book :) Ia it possible that something is published and that there is no record of this? Im asking out of ignorance here

Oct-17-13		jnpope: <<fkahlo> Ia it possible that something is published and that there is no record of this? Im asking out of ignorance here> Very possible especially if it had a very small limited print run and was distributed locally to that region. Would it be possible to get a photocopy or photograph of the cover of the book? I'd like to circulate it around to a few other historians (Tomasz Lissowski, Anders Thulin and Joost van Winsen) and see what they know or if they can find me a copy for sale.

Oct-17-13		waustad: It's ironic that the only thing the extra rook did for NN is prevent the king from having an escape square.

Oct-17-13		Calli: <redwhitechess> That game is here: Morphy vs NN, 1857 but Morphy didn't play it. It's really Steinitz vs Rock, 1863

Oct-17-13		TheFocus: Not to be confused with <Steinitz vs RockPaperScissors>.

Oct-18-13		redwhitechess: thanks for info <Calli>.. interesting because the article from The Cambrian was dated 1891...

Oct-18-13		jnpope: <redwhitechess>: That game was given in Brentano's Chess Monthly, 1882.01, p465-466, as part of the 60 or so Morphy games found by Reichhelm. The New York Daily Graphic published it in 1885.10.04 as Steinitz-Amateur with the following heading: "A brilliant game at odds of QR. The following remarkable game, which has been erroneously ascribed to Paul Morphy, was played by Mr. Steinitz and a well known London amateur, and appeared in the London Era on June 14, 1863. Jay Whitehead found it twice, once as a Morphy game and once as a Steinitz game: Game 02819 as Morphy-NN Game 02845 as Steinitz-Rock I recall reading an article where Reichhelm defended himself against plagiarism charges by Steinitz over a game and Reichhelm claimed that Morphy had played it before Steinitz (I'm trying to find that article now). And the column you linked to mentions the game as being played four times by Reichhelm, Morphy, Steinitz and Paul's uncle.

Oct-18-13		TheFocus: I think i may have played it once myself, but those years are still kinda hazy. College days you know.

Oct-19-13		jnpope: Morphy vs NN, 1857 Looks like that game was wrongly assigned to Paul Morphy by Eugene Cook when he was sending Morphy games to Reichhlem. I've published some bits from the International Chess Magazine when Steinitz himself was investigating that very "coincidence game."

Jan-28-16		juanhernandez: A jewel never to be lost. Is the magic

Feb-09-18		kishore4u: Morphy

Sep-24-18		romancitog: My mouth is hanging open.

Oct-19-24		jnpope: The earliest "Morphy" version still appears to be from <Mene Znamy Partie z Paul Morphy>, Moritz Porges, 1900 (per User: fkahlo), which may be the source Lawson used (I still haven't found an available copy to verify). Can anyone find an earlier source that gives this gem as a Morphy game? The best source to date for this game is given in <Loose Indian Chess Leaves>, Cochrane, v1, game 133, p98 (unpublished MS), see Cochrane vs Mohishunder, 1852 (found by User: thomastonk)

Oct-19-24		stone free or die: The Cochrane material can be found here: https://cplorg.contentdm.oclc.org/d...

Oct-19-24		jnpope: <Z>, thanks for the most up-to-date link, I posted a link a few years ago, but the CPL changed their system and horked the link (apparently): Morphy vs NN, 1850 (kibitz #93) I don't often go back to check the link validity (links break far too quickly for this particular historian to trust!).

Oct-19-24		stone free or die: Yes, I lament these seemingly unnecessary link relinks. <I don't often go back to check the link validity (links break far too quickly for this particular historian to trust!).> Yes, we've discussed this before in the context of <Source_url> tags, which I think are still a good idea. One can ask Wayback, aka <Internet Web Archive>, to archive the page and use that link, if more permanence if desired (a trick, as I've said, <Tab> showed me). Then there's just a single point of failure. Of course stale <Source_urls>, or any old link, is often still usable with <Wayback> (as demonstrated on the <Bistro> a few times in just the last couple of days).

Oct-19-24		jnpope: More power to you, although Wayback may be dying based on the latest lawsuits... so even those links may die soon.

Oct-19-24		stone free or die: Yes, alas and alack. Entropy will never be defeated. As Curdo said, "Get 'em while they're young" As the Wayback says - "back me up locally while you can" I still would like a tournament or two from the old Pittsburgh PGN archive that I've yet to find anywhere else. .

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