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Apr-30-10
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<Is this the WW2-decimated-our-young-people sob story?> Yes, what could the death of 25 million people have to do with anything? Timing doesn't really work, though. The players I just rattled off were all born between 1929 and 1937, and then Karpov 1951. So I guess you could posit that the war (and the purges, terror etc. in the decade before) kept some great chess players from being born. The other interesting fallow period is the 20s -- the only great player to get started in the 1920s was Euwe. Lasker, Alekhine, Capablanca, Rubinstein, Bogoljubov, Nimzowitsch, Vidmar, Maroczy etc. had all established themselves before WWI even began. <I'm sure he could have beaten him in the early 1960s.> The late 50s would have been an even bigger mismatch, I suppose. |
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| Apr-30-10 | | BobCrisp: I'm not really sure that 25 million Soviets perished during WW2, seems a tad high; depends how you work the figures, I imagine. I suppose Geller, born 1925, was fortunate to make it through that <alleged> Ukrainian famine but then I guess he didn't come from kulak stock. |
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| Apr-30-10 | | fab4: <keypusher: <fab4> Like all Fischer fanatics, you try to make everything about Bobby. The real story, the interesting story, is that the Soviet Union, after producing Petrosian, Korchnoi, Tal, and Spassky within a few years of each other, didn't produce another world-champion level player until Karpov. Fischer had nothing to do with causing that, but he benefited from it, because until Karpov showed up he was younger than all his rivals. Spassky's results as world champion were quite unimpressive. He had had some mediocre results between 1966 and 1968, though, so maybe he could have gotten it back together after 1972. But he couldn't handle Karpov. I don't think he could have handled Karpov at any point in his career, but that's a matter of opinion.> To be honest I've no idea what point you're trying to make apart from attempting to label me irrelevent for being a ' Fischer fanatic' lol... .. Spassky was a giant and a much better player than you give him credit for .He was a prodigy of sorts too and a natural genius at the game. He sought the world title and in that quest was pretty invincible over the board.. you under estimate Boris. The Spassky post '72 , tho ofcourse still a genius, was a disinterested unmotivated genius with no appetite for blood spilled over the board.. Karpov never met the real Boris Spassky i'm afraid. As for your ramblings on the soviet school of chess I've absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make ? |
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Apr-30-10
| | keypusher: <I've absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make> What a surprise. |
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| Aug-12-10 | | Jim Bartle: Seirawan was a Korchnoi second, and wrote how it was to watch Korchnoi bungle a strong position into a seemingly impossible loss. |
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| Aug-12-10 | | Petrosianic: If he hadn't spent 15 minutes arguing with Zukhar early in the game, he wouldn't have been in time trouble at the end. |
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Oct-14-10
 | | sevenseaman: Two important features of this game; total mobilization, total surprise. |
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Oct-14-10
| | keypusher: sevenseaman: Two important features of this game; total mobilization, total surprise. ...and a fanatical devotion to the Pope? |
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| Oct-21-10 | | Tigranny: I saw this blunder in a book I read. Korchnoi could've avoided a back rank mate by moving his g or h pawn, giving his king an escape square. When he moved his rook to a1, it only prevented the rook from checking the king, but not the knights. Karpov would've lost if Korchnoi hadn't blundered. |
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Oct-28-10
 | | SetNoEscapeOn: <Tigranny>
<Karpov would've lost if Korchnoi hadn't blundered.> No, by that point the position had been drawn for quite some time. The tragedy is that Korchnoi let his advantage slip away very slowly in this game to a draw, and then suddenly got mated. The first missas way back when the queens were on: 23.Rb8+ Kf7 24.Rb5 does it. Check out the analysis on the previous page by <Eyal> and others. Now, it's quite possible that Karpov would have lost the entire match if Korchnoi hadn't blundered here... |
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| Dec-16-10 | | Tigranny: Sorry SetNoEscapeOn. |
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| Jun-19-11 | | DrMAL: Karpov played this opening inaccurately giving Korchnoi a solid advantage by move 15 or so, then continued to give him even more. 23.Rb8+ Kf7 24.Rb5 was winning (24...e4 25.Nxe4 Nxe4 26.Qxe4 Qc6 27.Qxh7 best continuation) but white missed this and played 23.Qa6 a first mistake. However, Korchnoi kept a growing advantage, and after 27...Nc4 was nearly winning again. But then instead of 30.Nc2 he played 30.Nf3 a second mistake. Again, white maintained at least a point of advantage until 37.Rxh7 instead of 37.Re7 now the game is basically equal until 39.Ra1?? with a mate in 3! |
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| Jun-19-11 | | bronkenstein: Tal describes , in his comments to the game , how exactly the blunder had happened. It was very clever time trouble trap by Karpov , Korchnoi has virtually few seconds on his clock , and Karpov plays 38...Rc6!? quick . ˝The very first reflex is to protect the first rank , for second one - there is simply no time˝(Tal) , and Viktor plays 39.Ra1?? instantly... |
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| Jun-19-11 | | DrMAL: Thanx for that story, makes sense. The other natural responses, 39.h3 or 39.h4 give a mate in 4. The blunder 38.Ra1 already allowed black a draw after either 39.g3 or 39.g4 it's a pity Korchnoi threw away this game! |
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| Jun-23-11 | | Tigranny: Wouldn't the game end as 39.g3 Rc1+ 40.Kg2 Rf1 41.a5 Rf2+ 42.Kg1 Rf1+ 43.Kg2 Rf2+ as a draw by repetition (because 44.Kh3?? leads to 44...Ng5+ 45.Kg4 Nxh7)? |
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| Jun-23-11 | | DrMAL: <Tigranny:> Yes, either 39.g3 or 39.g4 allowed black a draw, this is what I meant above, glad you clarified further. :-) |
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| Jun-24-11 | | Tigranny: Thanks DrMAL. |
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Sep-07-11
 | | Honza Cervenka: <keypusher> Well, there were some pretty good Soviet players born in 1940s: Savon, Balashov, Tukmakov, Tseshkovsky, Kuzmin, Kupreichik, Grigorian, Gulko, Dvoretsky, Dzindzichashvili just to name some of them. And of course, Nona Gaprindashvili was born in 1941. But it is true that the generation of "world champions" and other world-class Soviet players born in 1920s and early 1930s was far more dominant, numerous and persistant (guys like Smyslov, Tal, Spassky, Korchnoi, Petrosian, Bronstein, Geller, Polugaevsky, Kholmov, Vasiukov, Taimanov, Stein, Averbakh and others from that generation were still among world elite in 1980s, if they were alive). I think that it has something to do with popularity of chess among Soviet youth, which was enormous especially after 1925 Moscow international tournament and again 1935 and 1936 tournaments in Moscow and Leningrad. WW2 had quite understandably very negative impact on chess life there, and interest in competitive chess somewhat decreased despite of its persisting popularity among general population. After WW2 it was revived to some degree but it never reached the level of its pre-WW2 heyday. Ice-hockey, football (soccer) and other sports, not to mention completely different activities, were hard competition for chess in getting attention from youngsters. Only with arrival of Karpov and especially Kasparov, who became real icons and were (unlike their predecessors) also able to make big money by playing chess, the interest in competitive chess was able to reach a new higher level with inflow of super-talented youngsters. |
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| Jan-31-12 | | drukenknight: Can someone please tell me what is the proper follow up to 9 Bd2? |
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| Jan-31-12 | | King Death: < BobCrisp: I'm not really sure that 25 million Soviets perished during WW2, seems a tad high; depends how you work the figures, I imagine.
I suppose Geller, born 1925, was fortunate to make it through that <alleged> Ukrainian famine but then I guess he didn't come from kulak stock.> Yeah, the "alleged" famine never happened, here are some sources in re your ridiculous claim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodo...
http://www.holodomor.org.uk/
http://www.holodomorct.org/history....
Do you also deny that the Holocaust ever took place? We need more folks like you. |
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Apr-06-12
 | | FSR: Larsen wrote of this game in his book on the match that Korchnoi "lost a position it seemed impossible to lose." |
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| Apr-07-12 | | King Death: <FSR> There were so many "what might have beens" for Viktor The Terrible in this match. Did that bad handling of his clock ever cost him. |
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| Apr-07-12 | | Penguincw: I saw this game before. White should've just pushed the g-pawn forward. |
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Aug-16-12
 | | harrylime: If any one game captures the essence of Karpov,this is it. |
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Aug-16-12
| | harrylime: If any one game captures the essence of Karpov,this is it. |
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