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|Mar-25-03|| ||crafty: 39. g3 f3+ 40. g2 e1+ 41. h1 f6 42. a2+ f1 = (eval 0.00; depth 15 ply; 100M nodes)|
|Mar-25-03|| ||Sneaky: Way to go Karpov!! What a sneaky trap. |
|Mar-25-03|| ||ChessPraxis: Obvious Queen sac.
(This is an ironic reference to an earlier comment that all of these tactical puzzles start with obvious Queen sacs.)
|Jul-08-03|| ||urtley: The end looks like: 40. g2xf3 Rg6+ 41. Kh1 Nf2 mate |
|Jul-08-03|| ||KnightBlade: after 33...Nc4 it looks like Korchnoi should easily be able to get a draw... the h7 pawn will be lost and white will have at least 2 extra pawns i mean he should be able to draw that... |
|Jul-08-03|| ||drukenknight: yeah this should read 0-1 and it is from 1978 World championship. From Keene's book: |
"The Zukhar dispute had bee quietly simmering during the last few games. THe main development was Ms. Leeuwerik's new habit of trying to distrct him by kicking his shins and jabbing the small of his back with a pen. This paproach was less successful than the more subtle Gulag Archipelago Gambit she had adopted earlier and Ms. Leeuwerik's only success was to make an exhibition of herself.
Now the dispute really boiled over again. At the beginning of the game Korchnoi objected violently to Zukhar's presence and threatened to evict him by physical violence if necessary. Eventually Campomanes agreed to move him back but warned that this would be the last time.
The 17th game was yet another tragedy for Korchnoi. Following the familiar pattern he built up a won position with White after improving on his play in game seven. His position in the early middle game was so good that he retained winning chances even after a number of inaccuracies in the later middle game. But he no longer had winning chances when disaster struck: Korchnoi allowed an elegant but obvious mate in three. His resignation was greeted by singing and screaming from thirty tourists who had fortuitously arrived from Russia that day. This must have taken korchnoi's mind back to the partisan crowds who watched his 1974 match against Karpov in Moscow.
Korchnoi had wasted 13 precious miutes on his clock by this fulminations against Zukhar at the start of the game. Perhaps forgetting this he commented after the game: "I dont know where my time went I thought I was moving quickly." WOuld the extra 13 minutes have been enuf time to alows Korchnoi to have won his overhwelming position? 13 seconds should have sufficed..
After each win Karpov had a party and this time the Terraces Plaza Hotel presented him with a cake showing the final postion of the 17th game. The first thing he did was eat white's King!"
|Jul-08-03|| ||Larsker: <The first thing he did was eat white's King!> Thanks for the extensive quote, DK. There was another WC match where Spassky showed up wearing goggles. Other sports have their share of quirkiness but nothing seems to beat chess. |
|Jul-08-03|| ||JGD: Yes Larksker!!!!!!!! My favourite match: the Korchnoi-Spassky candidates final in Belgrade (1977). Spassky did indeed wear ski goggles and a sun visor during the 14th game. Incidentally, Spassky suffered from diarrhoea and cheated by sitting in the rest box and using the demonstation board to analyse his position (obviously illegal). It would seem that Korchnoi's match opponents always had some antics cooked up: from Spassky's crudeness to Karpov's yoghurt...(not even to mention Karpov's personal sports pyschologist Dr. Zukhar. It was amazing that Viktor had so many achievements under such political pressures. |
|Jul-09-03|| ||drukenknight: The Yoghurt controversy was supposedly a joke to most of the participants according to Keene. But Ms. Leeuwerink took it seriously as did some members of the Soviet delegation. |
The Spassky thing was recounted in Keene's book similar to what JGD said.
The Soviet delegation responded to the charges re: Zukhar w/ a letter Aug 5, 1978, which said in part:
"In connection with this we feel ourselves obliged to remind of the fact that many matches with Mr. Korchnoi's participation were accomanied by scandalous situations. For instance, 1968 matches with Mr. Reschevsky and M. Tal, 1974 matches with Mr. E. Meking, T. Petrosian, A Karpov, 1977-78 match with B. Spassky...."
My question is what scandalous situations are they talking about with Reshevsky and Tal?
[this is actually a pretty interesting game too, by the way]
|Jul-10-03|| ||KnightBlade: Can somebody explain to me why White lost? look at the position after Karpov's 33rd move. it looks like an easy draw to me white has 2 extra pawns and he''ll probably lost the a pawn but he'll get black's h pawn and i just dont see how black wins, Korchnoi must have made some blunder, it looks like all of his checks just let the black king get too close, why didnt he play 34. Re7? or 35. Re7/c7? (35. Rc7 Ke3? 36. Rxe4+ Kxe4 37 Rxc4+) |
|Jul-11-03|| ||drukenknight: Well IM glad you brought this up. I have Keene's book and I have looked at the game a little. |
Keene thought white was winning from about move 16 to move 27.
One of Keenes suggestions is 23 Rb8+ Kf7 24 Rb5 which is interesting but I dont think korch's move is bad either. Keene says Korch. did not even considere Rb8+. oh well.
27 Rb5 is said to be a blunder. Keene prefers 27 Nxd4 which given the time problems he had, would be simpler and better.
30 Nf3 was castigated. Murei (another advisor) preferred 30 Bf8 KxN 31 Bxp Ne4 getting a better deal R+ pawns for 2 Ns. Panno suggested 30 Nc2 NxB 31 Bf8 which looks okay.
Keene doesnt really explain the end much. He says 34 Rf4+ is a mistake and prefers 34 Rf7.
Okay now at the end, there are two mating combinations that may be helpful to play out. One is the way it happened and the other is, if 39 h4 Rc1+ 40 Kh2 Nf1+ 41 Kh4 Nf2#
Okay so the only move is 39 f4 (not sureabout f3) and if 39..Nf3+ 40 RxN KxR and black cant force mate even if the pawns are gone.
But you are right to focus on all those checks. it seems that Korchnoi is trying to both attack the K and grab material.
He does this on moves 33/34; grabbing a pawn and then checking and on move 36/37.
All of which I think is survivable but look at move 37. There are a number of moves I am looking at, but maybe best is 37...Re7
IN which case neither of the two mating combos will work because the N is pinned.
|Mar-27-04|| ||morphyvsfischer: Larsen writes in his book on the match:
"If this game does not teach Korchnoi to stay out of time trouble, he will never learn. He lost a position it seemed impossible to lose. What is the use of absorbing all the little details at move 13; what is the use of all your brilliant planning at move 26, when you overlook a mate in 3 at move 39?"
That shows a good reason why Korchnoi never has and probably never will win a world championship: all his time is spent in the opening! Karpov did a wonderful job on picking on that weakness!
|Jul-01-04|| ||fred lennox: The king made the differance. Two knights can protect a king better than one rook. White was as if down a minor piece since his king was so passive. |
|Jul-01-04|| ||popski: 40.gf3 g6 41.h1 f2# |
|Aug-30-04|| ||Akavall: We'll probably see 39...Nf3+!! as a puzzle one day, very nice. |
|Aug-30-04|| ||chessdr: Did Korchnoi throw away a win here? That is, did he ever have a win? |
In hindsight, 35 Rd7+ looks like a waste of time, chasing the king to a better square. But if 35 Rxh7 instead, who stands better?
|Sep-19-05|| ||domradave: I saw this game on television with Shelby Lyman doing the show. He was just as stunned as everybody else the way this game ended.|
More chess on television, please!
|Sep-19-05|| ||woodenbishop: Incredible Karpov end game!|
|Sep-19-05|| ||Boomie: Korchnoi spent all his time in the opening to come up with moves like 6. d5? Maybe his time would have been better spent elsewhere like on move 17. He missed 17. f4, which rocks Karpov's world.|
17. f4 exf4
(17...e4 18. f5 e6 19. xc6 xf5 20.
xa8 xa8 (1.85/13))
18. xf4 e6 19. e2 fe8 20. exd4 xe2
(20...f7 21. f1 xb5 22. cxb5 xd4 23. b2 (1.77/13))
(20...xd4 21. xe6+ xe6 22. b2 xb5 23. xd4 cxd4 24. cxb5 (1.82/15))
21. xe2 xb5 22. cxb5 xe2 23. bxc6 cxd4 24. xd4 (1.67/13)
|Nov-05-05|| ||chesscrazy: I think 39.Ra1 was a blunder. Moving the g-pawn was better.|
|Feb-10-06|| ||chancho: From Yasser Seirawan's book <Winning Chess Brilliancies>: <As a postcript to this game, I offer a quote from Ed Edmondson from "Chess Scandals":"It took Petra Leeuwerik, GM Yasha Murey, GM Micheal Stean, and GM Oscar Panno five minutes to recover suffiently to rise from their seats.As this group slowly left the hall, the three players shook their heads over the way Korchnoi had blown what they all thought was a win."> |
Karpov's 39...Nf3+ was a real shocker of a move.
|Mar-06-06|| ||KholdStare: <chancho> Yes, but you left out the fact that until 27. Rb5, White was still winning, and if Korchnoi did Nxd4 instead, then he would have the advantage in the endgame.|
|Jul-13-07|| ||Honza Cervenka: After 23.Rb8+! Kf7 24.Rb5! (diagram) black faces big troubles.|
click for larger view
White's main threat is 25.fxe5 Rxe5 26.Ne4 with winning attack and no good move for black. For example, 27.Nxf6 gxf6 28.Qxh7+ is in the air,
black Queen must stay on a6 to cover indirectly Re5 by pin of white Rb5, 26...Kg8 allows 27.Nxf6+ gxf6 28.Rb8+ etc. And what can black do? 24...Rc3 25.Qf5 g6 26.Qg5 e4 27.f5 doesn't help as well as 24...e4 25. Nxe4 or 24...exf4 25.Ne4! Rc6 (25...Nxe4 26.Qxe4 is even worse) 26.Nxf6 Rxf6 27.Qxh7. I see no satisfactory defense for black there.
|Apr-09-08|| ||Knight13: <ChessPraxis: Obvious Queen sac.> What queen sac? :-/|
39. Ra1 is so not understandable. It's already really good on a3, being very active. Why move back? 39. h3 or h4 would've started the pawns rolling.
This game really puts a question mark on 6. d5.
|Sep-21-08|| ||GrahamClayton: <chessdr>In hindsight, 35 Rd7+ looks like a waste of time, chasing the king to a better square. But if 35 Rxh7 instead, who stands better? |
According to analysis by Habbel, 35. h7 a4 36. a4 e3 Black's active pieces are enough to earn a draw.
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