| Oct-30-03 |
| stef21: if 13.. cxd5 then 14. Qxh7 !! followed by Rh5+ and mate on h8
if 13.. gxh5 then 14. Nxe7+ winning either material or mating the black king |
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| Oct-30-03 |
| DexterGordon: After 13.. gxh5 14. Nxe7+ Qxe7 15. Rxe7 W is a pawn up with a commanding position, but I don't see any big material gain or mate threat. Am I missing something?
I looked at 13...gxh5 14. Bxh7+ for a bit, but that appears to fail to 14...Kh8. |
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Oct-30-03
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| crafty: 13...gxh5 14.  xe7+  xe7 15.  xe7 g7 16. ae1 d8 17. 1e3  (eval 3.70; depth 14 ply; 250M nodes) |
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Oct-30-03
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| jjones5050: Thanks for the comments. I had similar questions. Thanks to that "crafty" computer, I can see it now. |
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| Oct-30-03 |
| Helloween: Saw this one in about 15 seconds, looking at Qxh7+ first. |
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| Oct-30-03 |
| scaccarium: instead of 13...Qxd5, 13...Bf6 14. Nxf6+ Nxf6 15. Qh4 Be6 avoids the loss of black's queen and gives him a fighting chance. black comes out behind, but the game is far from over. |
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Oct-30-03
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| talchess2003: < Saw this one in about 15 seconds, looking at Qxh7+ first. > I hate fools who say stuff like this. There's always one every week who does it. I'm not saying that you didn't see it in 15 seconds...a lot of people do, but they do not all boast about it. I am just im saying that its sad that you people are so insecure that you have to repeatedly state this mundane fact daily. Shutup about it already... and rather comment on the combination than elevate yourself onto an imaginary pedestal in the center of us all. Immodesty is not appreciated. P.S. Sorry if I came on strong. |
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| Oct-30-03 |
| DexterGordon: scaccarium, yes, 13...Bf6 does seem a lot more solid than taking the WQ or the WN! W ends up a pawn to the good, but B seems solid for the moment. |
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| Oct-30-03 |
| drukenknight: 13...Bf6 is nice try but 14 Rxe8 gxh5 15 RxQ RxR 16 Nxf6+ seems to lose just a little more material. Maybe it still holds. |
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Oct-30-03
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| jjones5050: <Helloween: Saw this one in about 15 seconds, looking at Qxh7+ first.> Well stated, talchess2003. Bravo! |
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| Oct-31-03 |
| stef21: <Helloween: Saw this one in about 15 seconds, looking at Qxh7+ first.> I saw the Qxh7+in 10 sec. but unfortunately it does not work :-(
you have to make the preparatory move Nxd5 a see all the variations :-), it takes 5-10 min. |
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| Oct-31-03 |
| scaccarium: <drunkenknight: 13...Bf6 is nice try but 14 Rxe8 gxh5 15 RxQ RxR 16 Nxf6+ seems to lose just a little more material.> instead of 14...gxh5, if black plays Rxe8, then 15. Nxf6+ Qxf6 16. Bxf6 gxh5, and black actually comes out ahead in material. |
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| Oct-31-03 |
| drukenknight: okay that's a good pt, but in your line why does he take the Q back to h4? lets go: 13...Bf6 14. Nxf6+ Nxf6 15. Qf3 |
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| Nov-01-03 |
| Helloween: <talchess2003>Not boasting in any way, I was simply stating how long it took me to figure it out as a basis for comparison, so that others could tell how difficult/easy it is. I was actually going out of my way to say it, but since it's not appreciated to help out, I won't anymore. Jeez, some people and their anger problems/misunderstandings... |
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| Nov-01-03 |
| drukenknight: How are we to use your comments as a baseline for comparison? If we find it the same time as you, what are we supposed to make of that? Good? bad? GM level? expert level? 1400 level? |
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| Jul-18-09 |
| offramp: I saw this one in about 5 years, 9 months, 11 days and four hours, lookig at Qxh7+. |
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buttons, but it's much easier to simply use the left and right arrow keys on your keyboard.
