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Morphy / Barnes vs Staunton / Owen
Consultation game (1858), London ENG, Jul-??
Scandinavian Defense: Ilundain Variation (B01)  ·  1-0


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Oct-12-02  pawntificator: heh heh, too late, I already saw it druk!!
Oct-12-02  drukenknight: 17 Qg3. You can see know why Morphy was so confused at this moment in game. That was why heplayed so passively there.
Oct-12-02  drukenknight: Unfortunately the score sheet for the original game was destroyed by fire; according to the dk the actual hypothetical game begins: 16 Bxg6 fxg6 17 Qg3
Oct-12-02  pawntificator: Morphy was so confused!! Heh heh, your a riot! 17...e5
Oct-12-02  drukenknight: Can dk pull it off? Watch the f pawn in action!
Oct-12-02  drukenknight: Lets speed this up to white's 24th move. At that pt. Morphy breaks the game open and it will spin off down pathways that cant be stopped. But the game is even, so w/ best play all these should lead to draw, believe it or not. Up to move 24 they are fooling around.

Who do you want to be at that moment? (it will be blacks 25th to play)

Morphy or Staunton?

Oct-12-02  drukenknight: Who's chances does Pontificator like better? Morphy or Staunton's? There's no B pair to worry about so this one is a no brainer.
Oct-12-02  pawntificator: I'll take staunton..but I'm going to disappear for a couple hours soon

But look at Staunton's 16th. Moving the queen up there just to maintain the pin on the night while he transfers his own knight to the kingside? It lacks vision.

Oct-12-02  drukenknight: Still want to defend Staunton's position in this? Not after we show you white's 29th. Not recommended for those under 2200 USCF. Re: stuanton's 16th, game is still draw at that pt. so who cares?
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  refutor: in all seriousness, morphy was probably happy to take barnes as a partner in consultation...barnes beat him more than any other player. they only have 8 games listed here (score 6-2 morphy) but check out reinfeld's collection and you'll see what i mean
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  Calli: Morphy/Barnes could have smashed Staunton/Owen! For instance, 24.Ne4! puts Black in a bad way. Or 29.Nxf7! rips the position wide open.

Could it be that Morphy avoided these moves because he wanted to lure Staunton into a match? That he wanted Staunton to think a match would be a close contest?

Nov-11-03  drukenknight: I think Staunton had to leave the game due to a previously agreed upon publishing commitment.
Oct-28-04  who: <Calli> 24.Ne4 is impossible.
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  keypusher: <calli> 29 ♘xf7 ♕xf4+
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  Calli: <who> I meant 27.Ne4. Sorry about the typo.

<keypusher> Exactly. 29.Nxf7 Qxf4+ 30.Kg1 Qxf7 31.Rg5+ is an easy win

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  offramp: How do you play a consultation game? Do all four players sit at the board as usual and talk about their moves, or are the two pairs of opponents in different rooms?
Mar-15-09  WhiteRook48: if the first way, Morphy/Barnes could hear Staunton/Owen's plans, and vice versa
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  keypusher: <calli>

<<keypusher> Exactly. 29.Nxf7 Qxf4+ 30.Kg1 Qxf7 31.Rg5+ is an easy win>

right you are!

Oct-01-10  SirChrislov: Morphy vs. Staunton? I thought they never played? It's a consultation game, but still.

At least Morphy had the satisfaction of being on the winning side of both games, since he could never prove he was the best player in the world cause Staunton always dodged him for a match. but if you ask me, ravaging Anderssen was proof enough.

here's the other game: Staunton / Owen vs Morphy / Barnes, 1858

Feb-04-11  AVRO38: <Exactly. 29.Nxf7 Qxf4+ 30.Kg1 Qxf7 31.Rg5+ is an easy win>

Really? What's the winning line? winning an exchange (Q for R + N) does not constitute a win. A win in the 29.Nxf7 line is questionable at best, Morphy's line however is a clear path to victory.

Feb-04-11  AnalyzeThis: Interesting game. I thought the way Staunton transferred the bishop to g6 was heroic defense.
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  zanzibar: This game can be found in Sergaent's book, G75, p146.

It is given as having been played in July 1858.

Oct-24-17  cwcarlson: 27.♕h5!? ♗d3=; 27.♘e4 ♕f4 28.♖h5 ♔f8 29.♖h4+- Houdini.
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  keypusher: < AVRO38: <Exactly. 29.Nxf7 Qxf4+ 30.Kg1 Qxf7 31.Rg5+ is an easy win> Really? What's the winning line? winning an exchange (Q for R + N) does not constitute a win. A win in the 29.Nxf7 line is questionable at best, Morphy's line however is a clear path to victory.>

After 29.Qh4 dxc3 White doesn't seem to have better than 30.Rg1 Rd2+ and ...Rd3+ with a perpetual check. Neither Sergeant nor Loewenthal nor Shibut mention this, incidentally. Instead 29.Nxf7 Qxf4+ 30.Kg2 Qxf7 31.Rg5+ Kf8 32.Qh6+ Ke7 33.Rg7 Qxg7 34.Qxg7+ Kd6 35.Kf3 (35.Qxd4+ is also good enough) seems like clear sailing for White.

Sep-22-18  Yigor: Possibly, the first Scandinavian: Ilundain game since Castellvi-Vinyoles (1475). ;)
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