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|Jan-22-12|| ||goodevans: <offramp: It's pretty easy. Give up the queen and then follow your nose.>|
I'd agree that 15 Qxh6+ jumps out as the most promising candidate and after that the first few moves aren't too difficult to find.
A guess a lot depends on whether you let yourself move the pieces around or whether you try to get the whole thing just looking at the position. Doing the latter, I got as far as <18 Ne2+> but didn't find either of the beautiful R-sacs (<18 ... Kg6 19 Rf6+> and <18 ... Kh5 19 Rf5+>).
Just half marks for me today!
|Jan-22-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: So CG messed up today's puzzle by putting a Rook on a1 in the diagram when the game was actually played at rook odds. I based my solution based on the diagram on the home page (as per usual).
My solution is correct as per the diagram presented and therefore am giving myself the full point!|
Today's POTD Home Page Diagram as presented by CG:
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It is evident that I picked a line that is different from the game continuation but still remains fully winning.
Also, in the spirit of truth and objectivity I'm sad to say that the line that stymied me in the 16. Ne6+ variation was the one <DR. J> termed the really hard variation from <patzer2's> analysis.
I refer to this <<18. Ne2 Kh5 <***THIS IS THE HARD VARIATION - DR.J> 19. Rf5+!!>
I had actually considered 19. Rf5+!! but had not seen that it leads to mate and as that line was giving me much trouble, I went for the 16. Nxf7+ variaiton which is undoubtedly winning.
|Jan-22-12|| ||AlphaMale: <So CG messed up today's puzzle by putting a Rook on a1 in the diagram when the game was actually played at rook odds.>|
Like I said, they're amateurs, not chess people at all. If the entire site went up in flames, would anyone mourn its passing?
|Jan-22-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: <AlphaMale> It definitely sucks that they messed up today's puzzle!|
|Jan-22-12|| ||AlphaMale: With good management (I'm thinking of people like <Bain Capital>), we might really make something of this place.|
|Jan-22-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: <AlphaMale> Bain Capital, eh? I take it he's a user here. First time I've heard of him. He doesn't tend to frequent POTD or else I'm sure I would know of him.|
What's cool about his approach?
|Jan-22-12|| ||kstokelyk: Another cool variation available is 15. Nxf7. If black takes the queen he is doomed: 15... Bxh5 16. Bxh6+ Kg8 17. Nf6# or 16
Kg6 17. Rf6#|
|Jan-22-12|| ||AlphaMale: <I take it he's a user here.> If he's not, he soon will be. Watch this space!|
|Jan-22-12|| ||sevenseaman: A typical choice, most puzzle solvers are quite used to this kind of decision-making. So I'll say 'Easy'.|
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w t p.
|Jan-22-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: <Alpha Male> Cool, man. Sounds like he's definitely quite the crime-fighter. I'll be watching out for him.|
|Jan-22-12|| ||morfishine: Thought "Oh, this is that Schlechter Brilliancy or maybe one by Lasker". Hmmm, Tarrasch. Definitely have not seen this one.|
But all the rambling in the world cannot obscure the fact I fell head-first into <17.Rf6> where 17...Ng6 loses to 18.Ng7+, but 17...Qxe6 solves Black's problems.
Well, we have some great football games today.
Oh, and congratulations to all who found the solution to the end. (Too bad CG left the rook on <a1> as pointed out by <LoveThatJoker>; Hey, thats a convenient reason for my oversight, right?)
Nah, no excuses...ever for that matter...
<sevenseaman> Looks like Black is doing well until White turns the tables with <1.Rxh7+> which forces the death march <1...Kxh7 2.Qf7+ Kh6 3.g5+ Kh5 4.Qh7 mate>
|Jan-22-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: <morfishine> Thanks for the congratulations, man! It feels like winning the Fide World Championship back in 2002 as opposed to winning Kramnik's title, with the problem of the Rook on a1. |
However, I'm glad I solved the puzzle to the end and found a lovely and unique winning line.
|Jan-22-12|| ||Once: You can't be serious...?
It's easy to be a cynic. You puff out your chest as far as it will go and you say "Nah, I wouldn't do it that way". And 99 times our of a hundred, no-one will ever know if your way is better. Because there is very little chance that your way will ever be tried. So you can go on being a cynic, lobbing handgrenades over the wall.
It's much much harder to actually do something. Build a website, establish a community, post some analysis, express an opinion. Put it all on the line and never mind what the critics will say.
They say that those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. I happen to think that is grossly unfair. Human civilization is built on our ability to pass on knowledge to the next generation. We would be nothing without those who can teach.
So my version runs like this. Those who can, do. Those who can't, criticise.
|Jan-22-12|| ||1stboard: Nice combination/mate Dr. Tarrasch|
|Jan-22-12|| ||sethoflagos: <Once:> Amen!
Not a chance today beyond the first couple of moves. I would without a doubt have played 15.Qh4 looking for Nxc7 next.
Not sure why Tarrasch didn't play 13.Nf6: it looks absolutely lethal (and explains black's strange Kh8)
|Jan-22-12|| ||Penguincw: Insane to find. I didn't even notice the bishop on c1. :-\|
|Jan-22-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: I'm 7 for 7 for this week. My goal is to break Dimaggio's consecutive record. I'll try!|
|Jan-22-12|| ||tivrfoa: I thought 16. Nxf7+ failed to ... Kg6, but <LoveThatJoker> showed a nice move 19. Rg6+!|
16. ... Kh5 17. Nf4+ Kh4 (forced) 18. g3#
16. ... Kg7 17. Bh6+ Kg6 (Kg8?? 18. Nf6#) 18. Rf6+ Kh5 (forced) 19. Nf4+ Kh4 (forced) 20. g3#
16. ... Kg6 17. <LoveThatJoker> line
Siegbert Tarrash line is amazing!!! =)
|Jan-22-12|| ||ClassZPlaya: This is the first Sunday puzzle I've solved in a very long time. The joy I'm feeling about this is sublime! |
15. Qxh6+! forces mate:
15. ... Kxh6 (15. ... Kg8 or 15. ... Kh8; 16. Qxh7++)
16. Ne6+ Kh5 (16. ... Kg6; 17. Rf6+ Kh5; 18. Rh6++)
17. Ndf4+ Kh6 (17. ... Kh4; 18. g3++)
18. Ne2+ Kg6 (18. ... Kh5; 19. Ng3+ Kh4; 20. Bg5++)
19. Rf6+! Kxf6 (19. ... Kh5; 20.Rh6++)
20. Bg5+ Kg6
Took me about 10 minutes to calculate the whole line which is curiously fast for me; perhaps it's because the whole sequence is forcing. I'm wondering if I might have played through this game before long ago and just don't consciously remember it. Aw, heck I'm gonna stop doubting myself and just enjoy the moment!
|Jan-22-12|| ||James D Flynn: At first glance I realized this position cried out for a king hunt, white is down a pawn his Q is attacked so 15.Qxh6+ Kxh6 16.Ne6+ Kh5(if Kg6 17.Rf6+ mates next 17.Rf6 (threatens mate on H6. white can either create an escape square or interpose the N on g6)
A. 17.Rf6 Bxe6 18.Rh6+ Kg4 19.Be2#
B. 17.Rf6 Ng6 18.Ng7+ Kh4 19.g3+ Kh3 20.Bf1#. Insane? No, a few minutes calculation to work out the 2 variants.
|Jan-22-12|| ||Once: <James D Flynn: Insane? No, a few minutes calculation to work out the 2 variants.>|
I suppose the insane bit is realising that 17. Rf6 only draws after 17....Qxe6.
|Jan-22-12|| ||James D Flynn: My solution was a move or 2 faster but The game mate with the 3 minor pieces is very elegant.|
|Jan-22-12|| ||James D Flynn: Thanks Morfishine for pointing out the error in my solution.|
|Jan-22-12|| ||TomOhio: My original post:
In the actual game line, when White went 18. Ne2+ , why didn't Black move 18.... Kh5 ? I'm not seeing the finish for White here.
White's answer is Rf6. Black can vacate the g4 square to give the King an escape, but regardless of which Knight he takes, it leads to mate.
|Jan-22-12|| ||David2009: Tarrasch vs Romberg, 1893 White 15? Insane|
More rational than most Insane puzzles because the obvious forcing line starts with a double check. Let's try
15.Qxh6+ Kxh6 16.Nxf7++ Kg6 17.Rf6+ Kg7 18.Bh6+ Kg8 19.Rg6+ hxg6 20.Nf6# - I hope. 5 moves is about as far as I can reliably calculate.
Time to check:
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I blew it and settle for a perpetual check. I miss 19...Kxf7! draw. Of course I have an extra Rook on a1 in the puzzle position, but it doesn't help me.
Crafty EGT interactive link to the puzzle position as set with R on a1:
Against the game line Crafty finds a different defence: enjoy finding the mate interactively.
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