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|Dec-27-05|| ||The17thPawn: <ChessGames> Is the database correct concerning Herr Schwartz? There seems to be 96 years between his first and last games. Unless he played Tarrasch between ages 2 and 5 this seems highly unlikely. Just asking, would appreciate any clarification you can offer.|
|Dec-27-05|| ||dakgootje: Nice and easy puzzle, though first thing i looked at was 11. ...♘g3 but immediately saw that it failed as the king has an escape that way, and so i looked again, found and went for the text move.|
p.s.: <PurpleNerevarine> welcome to the site =)
|Dec-27-05|| ||Tariqov: <dkulesh>saw your mistake;(??i may have a reading vocabulary like a 6 year old but you have chess knowledge equivalent to a beginner(bet you couldn't even get a monday puzzle;()|
|Dec-27-05|| ||ChessGeezer: This game reminds me of a defence called the "Fishing Pole". It opens the h-file for a Queen and Rook attack, supported by a pesky Knight. I had never heard of it until I got killed by it in a tournament. White has to cooperate by castling too early when using the Giuoco Piano. I would provide a link to a web site that describes it, but don't know of a great site.|
|Dec-27-05|| ||Soltari: Well I didn't see it, just never thought of a queen sac because black was already so much material behind. I came up with this line which also seems to win: 11...Nf4 12.f3 Nh3+
Now 13.gxh3 leads to mate: 13...Qg3+ 14.Kh1 Rxh3#. And 13.Kh1 or 13.Kh2 loses the queen to 13...Nf2+, and puts black in a winning position.
The morale of this story: Always look at queen sacs first!!|
|Dec-27-05|| ||Prelude: 1986 must be actually 1896 for his game with Hort|
|Dec-27-05|| ||Prelude: On the other hand VLASTIMIL HORT
was born in 1944 - hehe
|Dec-27-05|| ||EmperorAtahualpa: Haha, nice to see this game back again. I wonder if <chessgames.com> has been looking over my shoulder to see which games I have been kibitzing on. :)|
The puzzle could have been one of the harder Monday puzzles but as it turns out it is now one of the easier Tuesday puzzles. :)
|Dec-27-05|| ||merry123: i think it is repeated|
|Dec-27-05|| ||YouRang: Good puzzle. I suppose those of us who have been doing these puzzles for some time now tried the queen sac immediately, and found the mate. It's easy, but still fun to watch.|
|Dec-27-05|| ||Cogano: This is not only too easy, even for a Monday puzzle, This Schwartz character is a real idiot. J. Wollner wasn't too bright either. In one game he kept jumping his knights all over the board in a kind of drunkenly dance, for no discernable useful reason. For another
demonstration of Schwartz's feebleness, check this game out:|
J. H. Blackburne vs. Schwartz
"Both sides have a well-developed game."/F. P. Wenman, 100 Chess Gems (Cadogan Books)
"White does not oblige by allowing perpetual check."
"The open file is of great advantage."
"This game produces one of Blackburne's finest combinations."
"Steinitz considered this one of the finest games ever played."
To this last quote I can only think: "You've got to be kidding me! This is supposed to be one of the finest games? And no less a figure than Steinitz thought that? This Wenman character can't possibly be serious!" Think what you will. I welcome your feedback. Season's Greetings one & all, Happy New Year, & take very good care & have yourselves a most joyous day, every day.
|Dec-27-05|| ||kevin86: Mate in three-similar to Reti-Tartakower. The queen is sacfiriced to allow for a double check-then the rook moves to the focus square and mates.|
|Dec-27-05|| ||Caro.K.4.me: <Cogano: This Schwartz character is a real idiot.> chess evolves over time cuase, a lot of those kids did'nt now about development, they just attacked. even the masters back then played like the average club players play today! so if you knew how to develop, than you won a lot of minis. |
plus you got the fact that these games were in drinking pubs and a lot of players then were really snookered. i read all about htis it in a historical cd of all the games by that drunk kid named steinitz. i think this is a good one by the way! (the cd i mean, not the game)
|Dec-27-05|| ||THE pawn: <tariqov> yeah I saw that just after I post my message that was stupid of me. Thanks for telling!|
|Dec-27-05|| ||Averageguy: <This Schwartz character is a real idiot.> LOL, Schwartz is my surname.|
On the subject of the puzzle, I got it quite quickly (a few seconds) but it was pleasing nonetheless. It reminds me of Dubois vs Steinitz, 1862 as an example of castling too quickly into an attack.
|Dec-27-05|| ||chessgames.com: <<ChessGames> Is the database correct concerning Herr Schwartz? > There is a brief discussion of that subject under the "Hot Tip" found here: ChessGames.com Help.|
|Dec-27-05|| ||thesonicvision: 10. Qf3 Qe7 11. Bg5 f6!?
and 12. Be3 looks safe for white.
|Dec-27-05|| ||Antipholous: <Caro.K.4.me> Yeah...and if you looked over your typos I might know what you're saying.|
|Dec-27-05|| ||Tariqov: <THE pawn> read <Boomie>'s post,i'm wrong your right:)Nf4 works but takes longer then Qh1+!|
|Dec-28-05|| ||THE pawn: This is what I mean't it doesn't work because it's not as forceful as Qh1 because the variation is just longer. So who wants a quick mate over a long painful variation?|
|Dec-28-05|| ||syracrophy: I wanna notice some points of this short miniature:
-6.Nh2? was a mistake, because there's nothing to fear, and there's no excuse to move the knight to an inactive square. Better was 6.c3 to support 7.d4 later.
-The bishop sacrifice 7...Bg4?! was a mistake, because it's not a correct sacrifice. It worked on this game, because white played really bad. But this sacrifice it's not positionally justified. Muh better was 7...Na5.
-10.Be3? its a mistake, because black's making an attack to the king. Correct was 10.Qf3!
-11.Bxc5?? was the decisive mistake, because it gave black the opportunity of a mate in 3. A saving move was 11.f3
|Jan-01-06|| ||Boomie: <syracrophy> is right about 7...Bg4? The Schwartz almost refuted it but stumbled with 10. Be3. As pointed out, 10. Qf3 is probably winning. However white has a more forceful and elegant refutation. The powerful interference move 10. Nh6! ends black's attempt to use the h-file. This blocks the rook, attacks the knight on h5, and threatens immediate disaster on f7. Black has no answer. Nh6 is a move worth remembering.|
7. d3 Bg4 8. hxg4 hxg4 9. Nxg4 Nh5 10. Nh6! Nf4
(10...Rxh6 11. Bxh6 Qh4 12. Qf3 f6 13. Be3 Nd4 14. Qh3 Qxh3 15. gxh3 Nxc2 16. Nc3 Nxa1 17. Rxa1)
11. Bxf4 gxh6
(11...exf4 12. Nxf7 Qh4 13. Nxh8 Ne5 14. Be6)
|Jan-04-06|| ||patzer2: White missed a win with the discovered attack 10. Nh6! gxh6 11. Qxh5 . Instead, the weak 10. Be3? and 11. Bxc5?! gave Black a quick mate after the decoy sacrifice 11...Qh1+! and the discovered check 12...Ng3+!|
The try 11. g3 would have put up more resistance, but would still have left White with a lost game after 11. g3 Nxg3 12. Qf3 Bxe3 13. fxe3 f5 14. exf5 e4 15. Qg2 Qxg4 16. Nc3 Rh1+ 17. Kf2 Qxf5+ 18. Kxg3 Qg5+ 19. Kf2 Qh4+ 20. Ke2 Rh2 .
|Mar-03-06|| ||thesonicvision: <patzer2>
10. Nh6? Qh4!
and 11..Ng3 is very hard to deal with
|Dec-31-06|| ||The17thPawn: <thesonicvision> - Patzer2 is correct. 10.Nh6,Qh4 11.Bxf7+,K-move 12.Qxh5 looks to end blacks illusions|
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