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Oct-12-04
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| Willem Wallekers: I don't believe this. 11. Qd2 is very bad as Black gets a clear advantage by 11 ... Nxf3+. The same thing in Calli's version. Or was Capa making a joke? |
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| Oct-12-04 |
| clocked: <Willem Wallekers> "Clear advantage"? Actually white is better. g-file, better bishops, f7, move ahead. |
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Oct-12-04
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| Willem Wallekers: <Actually white is better. >
Give me a line. |
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| Oct-12-04 |
| clocked: First let's make sure we are talking about the same game. You say 11.Qd2 and then say "same...Calli's version". However, Calli's version is the one with 11.Qd2. My comment is directed to the game for this page... 9.Qd2 Nxf3+ 10.gxf3 Bxf3 11.h3!
11...Kh8 12.Kh2 Rg8 13.Rg1
11...c6 12.Nxf6+ gxf6 13.Bh4 |
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| Oct-12-04 |
| clocked: <Willem Wallekers> White is also good in Calli's version: 11.Qd2 Nxf3+ 12.gxf3 Bxf3 where white can play 13.Bxf6 gxf6 14.Qe3 or as above with 13.h3 |
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Dec-25-04
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| Gregor Samsa Mendel: What happens if black plays 9...Bxf3? |
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| Dec-25-04 |
| russep: another game where black copies whites moves and gets trashed |
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| Jul-06-05 |
| beatgiant: <Gregor Samsa Mendel: What happens if black plays 9...Bxf3?> Probably 9...Bxf3 10. Bxf6 gxf6 11. Qh6, etc.  |
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| Jan-01-06 |
| DoctorChess: I know 11. Ne7+ gave NN a heartattack.
Chess is not symmetrical. I totally agree with chessamateur. |
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| Feb-22-06 |
| Whitehat1963: A great puzzle after 10...Bxf3! So much for copying Capablanca! |
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| Jun-19-06 |
| Xuorarch: Actually, clocked is wrong a about his 11...c6 variation. I think 12.Bxf6 gxf6 13.Kh2 looks alright because 13...cxd5 14.Rg1+ Kh8 15.Qh6 Rg8 16.Rxg8+ Qxg8 17.Rg1 Qxg1+ 18.Kxg1 Rg8+ 19.Kf1 Rg6 20.Qf8+ Rg8 21.Qxf7 dxc4 21.Qxf6+ Rg7 22.Qxf3 where White has a queen vs. a bishop and rook and can probably hold his extra pawn as well (most of the moves I gave I consider best for both sides, except for Black's move 13). If 13...Bh5(to block the g file), White might play, for example 14.Rg1+ Bg6 15.Ne3 Kh8 16.Rg2 Rg8 17.Rg1 leaves Black in a somewhat difficult position. Of course this is only an example, but it shows an attack that White can create here. |
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| Jul-11-07 |
| stefanoleccardi: Very nice Capablanca... the danger of the symmetrical position (and the advantage of being a time ahead !) |
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| Sep-18-07 |
| patzerboy: Imitation may be the sincerest form of flattery, but sometimes it's also suicide. |
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| Sep-18-07 |
| CapablancaFan: NN- "I'm going to play like Capa. I'm going to copy his play move for move and I should be alright. Right?...Should'nt I?... Maybe? " LOL! |
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| Nov-08-07 |
| xeroxmachine: NN is skrewd when he/she/it plais 9. ..Qd7 better was 9. ..Bxf3 |
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| Nov-08-07 |
| outsider: chessamateur> it is very simple. you start with qd8, and the black reply kd8. then rh8 ra1, rg8 rb1 rf8 check and white win a piece and then defend their own bishop on c1. or i don't understand your idea? |
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| Dec-11-07 |
| DukeAlba: Commandment 3: Thou Shalt Not Mirror Thy Opponent |
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| Jun-03-08 |
| maxi: Very funny game. |
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Jun-06-08
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| jeeky1996: Symmetrical play can lead to White seizing the intiative, because White is playing first, he gets to attack first usually. |
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| Dec-01-08 |
| WhiteRook48: NN: "My new strategy is copy the opponent! I think this will work very much... if he has the center, then I have the center. If he has a king and pawn, than I do, yes..."
Completely overlooking a possible check. This FAILS, like it did in <Traxler vs J Samanek>.
1. e4 e5 2.  f3 f6 3. c3 c6 4.  b5 b4 5. 0-0 0-0 6. d3 d6 7. xc6 xc3 8. xb7 xb2 9. xa8 xa1 10. g5 g4 11.  xa1 xa8 12. xf6 xf3 13. xe5 xe4 14. xg7 xg2 15. xf8 xf1?? 16. g7# 1-0 |
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| Jan-24-09 |
| WhiteRook48: why the 4 knights game? |
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Feb-01-09
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| TheaN: To react on <chessamateur>'s idea to remove the pawns: both kibitzers who posted winning lines do not win so straight as they claimed: <1.Qxd8†?> is definitely worse after <1....Kxd8 2.Rxh8 Rxa1> which removes the Rook threats <3.Rxg8 Ke8!> and with one Rook these piece-up positions are usually drawn! If White wants to safe one of his pieces he loses some his initiative, i.e with <4.Bd3  >, yes, only according to Rybka with 0.5 for White. After all, how is White going to win the R+N vs R endgame? He isn't. Same for the best starting move: <1.Bb5†> seems the best move. <1....Nd7> is the ONLY defense, in either other defense besides Bd7 the Black Queen falls (showing the strong White initiative) and after Bd7 White can continue with 2.Rxa8! Rxh1?! 3.Bxd7†! and Black loses: either 3....Nxd7 4.Rxd8† or 3....Qxd7 4.Rxb8† and White has check in a deadly position. <2.Qe2† Qe7> again any other move loses: try it out, Kf7 leads to mate, and N/Be7 lead to Rxh8 . Take note that White holds initiative. <3.Rxa8 Qxe2†!!> instead of the symmetrical Rxh1?? suggested: than, the White win is very trivial being up a piece where it matters (Queens OTB!) and up in position. After Qxe2, it's not a clear win without the Queens!. <4.Kxe2 Rxh1 5.Rxc8 Kf7! > and White's extra piece should not decide the game, as there are no pawns. But this IS Black's only drawing option, and the endgame at hand is not very easy. Rybka shows a steady 0.58 through the entire variation, referring, probably to the drawn R+B vs R or R+N vs R endgames. The position ensued in the 'main' variation is a good one for White, but the win does not seem to be there: 
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| Feb-07-09 |
| WhiteRook48: let's make it game of the day |
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| Mar-11-09 |
| WhiteRook48: 11...Ne2+ :P |
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Sep-14-09
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| Phony Benoni: There's a story, too amusing not to be apocryphal, of a player who spotted a stranger wandering around the chess club and challenged him to a game as a gesture of welcome. "But I don't know how to play."
"Oh, that's what everyone says. Come on, be a sport." So they sat down, and here is what happened: <1.e4 e5 2.d4 d5>
"That's unusual", thought White. Now, of course he might have tried 3.exd5 exd4 4.Qxd4, but he knew all about hustlers who protested they didn't know how to play just before announcing mate in 10. So, fearing a trap: <3.dxe5 dxe4>
"OK, let's end this foolishness right now!"
<4.Qxd8+ Kxe1!!>
Turns out that Black was copying White's moves because he really <didn't> know how to play. He had come into the club to deliver a package to a member. |
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