chessgames.com
Members · Prefs · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing


register now - it's free!
Nikolay Tikhonovich Sorokin vs Yakov S Vilner
"Don't You Want Me Baby?" (game of the day Sep-20-12)
USSR Championship (1929)  ·  Slav Defense: Quiet Variation. Schallopp Defense (D12)  ·  0-1
To move:
Last move:

explore this opening
find similar games 44 more games of N Sorokin
PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: All games have a Kibitzer's Corner provided for community discussion. If you have a question or comment about this game, register a free account so you can post there.

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with the default chess viewer, please see the Pgn4web Quickstart Guide.

Kibitzer's Corner
Nov-29-08  fish1800: 18-Be3! nice move I would have a difficult time seeing the OTB 19 .fe Qxe3ch 20. Kh1 Rad8! 21 Qc2 Rd2 22Qc3 Bg2ch! 23. Kxg2 Rxe2 ch 24 Kh1 Qf3ch 25.Qxf3 exf3 26.Rxe2 fxe2
Nov-29-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  Shams: <fish1800> your line leads to this position...


click for larger view

...but after 27.Kg2 black is quite lost. not to mention that I don't see a win for black after 24.Rxe2 either.

I'm trying to make 20...Rf2 work. 21.Bf1 falls to ...Qh6 but 21.Rc3 looks strong (21...Qh6 22.Bc1 ). Interesting position-- where is the win? I feel like we're both missing something obvious. Let's combine ideas: your 20...Rad8 21.Qc2 and my 21...Rf2:


click for larger view

and I think white is lost; 22.Qc3 Rd3 is curtains; 22.Bh5 Bg2+ 23.Kg1 Re2#.

Nov-30-08  fish1800: Yes 21. Rf2 clearly wins. Good work! I doubt I would have seen all of that otb.
Sep-20-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Phony Benoni: I'm rather surprised this one got selected, as I figured the "pun" would be too obscure to get a high rating. If you don't mind, I'll hold off on my explanation and see others come up with. It may be deeper than I thought.

However, I believe the game is a worthy GOTD.

Sep-20-12  DanielBryant: It's obviously a reference to "Don't You Want Me" by the Human League, and I see it as a reference to how the bishop was offered on three different squares before it was finally taken.
Sep-20-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Phony Benoni: <DanielBryant> So much for suspense.
Sep-20-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  al wazir: 22. Rxe4 was a mistake. 22. Be4 would have been better. If 22...e3, then 23. Qe2.
Sep-20-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Phony Benoni: <al wazir>


click for larger view

22.Rxe4 is a blunder, but White's position sucks. 22.Bd4 is simply answered by 22...Rd3. I was going to advise 22.Rc2, but then 22...Qe3+!, forces mate.

If nothing else, Black is going to double rooks on the second rank and there is simply nothing White can do about it because of all the latent back rank mate threats.

Sep-20-12  newzild: I too thought 18...Be3 was a star move, but according to Rybka, 18...Rad8 was just as strong.

This is Rybka's main line after 18...Be3, yielding a +2.30 advantage for Black:

18...Be3
19. fxe3 Qxe3+
20. Kh1 Rad8

And now a "computer move" ...

21. Bg4 Rxd1
22. Rcxd1 Qh6
23. Bc1 g5
24. Bxg5 Qxg5
25. Bxh3 e3
26. bxc6 bxc6
27. Bxe6+

Material is roughly equal, but Black has strong moves including ...Rf2 at his disposal.

Sep-20-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: Don't You Want Me: http://vimeo.com/14060050 Another version of video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EHp...
Sep-20-12  wildrookie: What is the pun about 'cos I don't get it?
Sep-20-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: <<wildrookie>

DanielBryant: It's obviously a reference to "Don't You Want Me" by the Human League, and I see it as a reference to how the bishop was offered on three different squares before it was finally taken.>

Sep-20-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Abdel Irada: Maybe (from White's perspective) this line of the Slav is the "A Little <Too> Quiet Variation." Thematically, if Black plays an early ...Bf5, White pressures b7 with Qb3 and tries to take the c-file (or force Black to play ...dxc4 to prevent it).

Here, I think Sorokin's unenterprising play gave Black far too many chances.

Sep-20-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  watwinc: 19 fxe3 Qxe3 ch 20 Kh1 Rad8 21 Qc2 Rd2 22 Qc3 Qf2 looks decisive
Sep-20-12  psmith: <watwinc> Read the previous comments.
Sep-20-12  mworld: always nice to see a creative title, good one!
Sep-20-12  vikram2791: 23.Qxc1 Rf1+ 24.Qxf1 Rxf1#! Sweet!
Sep-20-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  kevin86: Black chops off the rook and forces mate soonafter.
Sep-20-12  goodevans: 12.g3 was such an ugly move. I guess you know things aren't going so well when you can't find anything better than this.
Sep-20-12  JG27Pyth: Great pun in that one needs to view the game to understand it.

...Don't
Don't you want me? -
You know I can't believe it
When I hear that you won't see me.
Don't
Don't you want me? -
You know I don't believe you
When you say that you don't need me.

Sep-20-12  Llawdogg: The Eighties are back today!
NOTE: You need to pick a username and password to post a reply. Getting your account takes less than a minute, totally anonymous, and 100% free--plus, it entitles you to features otherwise unavailable. Pick your username now and join the chessgames community!
If you already have an account, you should login now.
Please observe our posting guidelines:
  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, or duplicating posts.
  3. No personal attacks against other users.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
Blow the Whistle See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform an administrator.


NOTE: Keep all discussion on the topic of this page. This forum is for this specific game and nothing else. If you want to discuss chess in general, or this site, you might try the Kibitzer's Café.
Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of Chessgames.com, its employees, or sponsors.
Spot an error? Please submit a correction slip and help us eliminate database mistakes!
This game is type: CLASSICAL (Disagree? Please submit a correction slip.)

Featured in the Following Game Collections [what is this?]
22 moves
from Chess Miniatures, Collection VIII by wwall
September 20: Don't You Want Me Baby?
from Game of the Day 2012 by Phony Benoni
Arcturus' favorite games
by Arcturus
More miniatures from Soviet championships
by ughaibu
If 19.fe3 Qe3 Kh1.How will white win?
from vsrp's favorite games by vsrp
September 20 - Don't You Want Me Baby?
from Game of the Day 2012 by xynkrn
Quarterfinal 1, Round 5, Game #19
from USSR Championship 1929 by Phony Benoni


home | about | login | logout | F.A.Q. | your profile | preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | new kibitzing | chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | privacy notice | advertising | contact us
Copyright 2001-2014, Chessgames Services LLC
Web design & database development by 20/20 Technologies