|Oct-07-03|| ||Phoenix: Interesting...didn't know of any other chessplayers with the last name of "Fischer." |
|Oct-07-03|| ||Diggitydawg: Black could save himself with 13...Qb6 (saving the Q and defending the e-pawn). But black is left with a messed up pawn structure. I'm amazed that when confronted with a sac, a player, no matter how weak he is, doesn't stop and try to and calculate what his opponent is up to. |
|Oct-07-03|| ||unclewalter: seriously...Kf7 is ludicrous, at any level of play. i hope this was a speed game or something. |
|Oct-07-03|| ||crafty: 14...♔f8 15. ♘g5 ♘e5 16. dxe5 ♗c5 17. ♕f7# (eval Mat03; depth 5 ply; 1M nodes)|
|Oct-07-03|| ||Shadout Mapes: I got 13.Nxf7 Kxf7 14.Ng5 Kg8 (14...Kf8 15.Nxe6+) 15.Qxe6+ Kh8 16.Nf7+ winning the queen. |
|Oct-07-03|| ||Honza Cervenka: And I got 13.Nxf7 Kxf7? (13...Qb6 is better but it cannot save the game) 14.Ng5+ Kg8 (14...Kf8 15.Qxe6 with an unavoidable mate on f7.) 15.Qxe6+ Kh8 16.Nf7+ Kg8 17.Nh6++ Kh8 (17...Kf8 18.Qf7#) 18.Qg8+ Nxg8 (or Rxg8) 19.Nf7#:-) |
|Oct-07-03|| ||patzer2: <unclewalter> Yes, 13. ..Kxf7? is bad and makes the win too easy for white. The obvious move for black is 13. ..Qb6, and if white does not respond with good moves black could get active counter-chances.|
Fritz 8 gives best play as 13. ..Qb6 14. N7e5 Nxe5 [14. ..b4 15. Nxd7 Nxd7 16. Rfe1 ; 14. ..Rf8 15. Rfe1 ; 14. ..Bd6 Rfe1 ; 14. ..Qc7 15. a4 ] 15. Bxe5 Ne4 16. Rae1 Rf8 17. Nd2 Nf6 18. a3 Rae8 19. Qf3 Bd6 20. Qg3 Bxe5 (+ 2.03
@ 15/42 depth & 645kN/s).
In the analyzed position above (after 20. ..Bxe5), best play according to Fritz would continue 21. Rxe5 a5 [21. ..Nd2 22. Rg5 Rf7 23. Nf3 Nf6 24. Re5 Nd7 25. Qh3 h6 26. Rh5 Ree7 27. Qg3 ] 22. Nb3 Nd7 23. Rh5 Nf6 24. Rg5 Re7 25. Nc5 Ne4 26. Bxe4 (+2.25 @16/16 depth & 694kN/s).
|Oct-07-03|| ||patzer2: From an opening theory and positional perspective, White's 5. ..Nbd2 is bad, followed up by an equally bad 6. ..e6, giving white nearly all of the king-side play and locking black's bishops and his queen knight out of play. Note that 5. ..Nb2 is the only game in the Chessgames.com data base with this move, and rightly so!|
Better for black is the standard opening move 5. ..Nc3 with even chances. According to the opening explorer, white won 28% and black 27%
of the 209 games in the data base with this move.
Or if black wishes to get out of this heavily analyzed book line, 5. ..Bg4 is worthy of consideration as in Van Wijgerden C vs Hort, 1982 or Kaplan vs Christiansen, 1977 or Ragozin vs Petrosian, 1949 (which Petrosian should have drawn, except for an obvious endgame blunder). The play is sharp, with few draws, but should provide even chances after 5. ..Bg4.
|Oct-07-03|| ||AdrianP: Is there a game by Alekhine which features a very similar finish i.e. N sac on f7 followed by Q sac on e6...? |
|Oct-07-03|| ||AdrianP: <Ughaibu> has kindly pointed me to this game Alekhine vs Von Feldt, 1916 which features a v. similar finish (the Q sac on e6 seems to have been declined in that instance) |
|Oct-07-03|| ||patzer2: Should white accept black's gambit offer in the Centre Counter after 1. e4 d5 2. exd5 c6 with 3. dxc6?
The impressive black wins in B Vergani vs Blackburne, 1895 and Alekhine vs L Morelli, 1923 may make some players reluctant to accept the gambit pawn offer.|
For this reason, some may find it safer to decline the gambit with 3. d4, transposing into the Caro-Kann after 3. ..cxd5 as in this game and Tarrasch vs Von Scheve, 1879
However, those brave souls who believe the mantra "the only way to beat a gambit is to accept it" may take heart in the white wins scored in Shumov vs Yenotov, 1847 and P Vinogradov vs A Kotsuba, 2000 However, the quality of play from the black-side in these games may not be a true test of the strength of this gambit.
|Oct-07-03|| ||boowillo: would any of you guys play ..7.Bd6 instead of Be7? |
|Oct-13-03|| ||patzer2: <boowillo> I think black essentially has a bad position after his fifth move -- and would never have played it. However, to answer your question, 7. ..Bd6 is one of the best two moves for black to consider once into this bad line (7. ..Qc7 is equally acceptable). According to Fritz 7. ..Bd6 or 7. ..Qc7 each give white only a slight (+0.44) advantage. |
Black will not be able to play e5 without making his weak d-pawn a target, and that gives white a lasting advantage/initiative.
|May-31-06|| ||Maatalkko: So after Fischer was reincarnated in 1943, he decided he'd had enough of the Caro-Kann I guess.|
|Nov-13-06|| ||FSR: Hah! Fischer (who was -8 years old at the time) gets completely crushed!|
|Mar-04-09|| ||WhiteRook48: outstanding!|
|Mar-05-09|| ||WhiteRook48: I'm surprised somebody who was not even born yet could even play|