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Lindemann vs Echtermeyer
Kiel 1893  ·  Scandinavian Defense: Mieses-Kotroc Variation (B01)  ·  0-1
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Nov-26-05  Chopin: You have got to be joking! Did Lindemann learn how to play chess 5 minutes before the match.
Nov-26-05
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  TheAlchemist: <Chopin> Maybe he made an illegal move, or accidentally touched the King. Or, he swallowed his pride and made Ke2 for posterity.
Nov-26-05  Chopin: <TheAlchemist> <..or accidentally touched the King> That's the only logical explanation for playing ke2. Even the worst Patzer will not play Ke2.
Dec-04-05
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  OhioChessFan: If I ever managed to play a game, and I accidentally touched a piece and the other player made me move it, I'd walk away from the board and let him wait it out until I lost on time.
Dec-04-05
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  acirce: Just remember, you don't have to move a piece if you *accidentally* touch it. It's only if you do it deliberately.
Dec-04-05
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  OhioChessFan: A certain post above is undoubtedly the most unintentionally funny post I've ever seen.
Dec-10-05
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  chessgames.com: The counterpart to this game is here: E Schiller vs H Pack, 1969
Jan-06-06  Necessary Truths: I rather like this game. Sure 3. Ke2 is a horrible blunder, but the final position is interesting as an opening mate same way that Fool's Mate is.

It's nice to be able to find new mating themes like this with most of the pieces still on their starting squares because it helps with early opening attacks.

Feb-03-06
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  Whitehat1963: Hilarious game!
Feb-03-06  ath: Infohunter's guess is right: this game appears on the last page of the congress book, where it is made clear that Lindemann wanted to play 3.Sc3, but grabbed the bishop instead (so: Bc1-c3), and had to make a King's move as the laws in use required.

The score is wrong as to black's response, though: he did not mate then and there, but preferred to let white dangle a bit before the final kill. No moves are given, though.

(Source: Der Achte Kongress des Deutschen Schachbundes -- Kiel 1893, Leipzig : 1894, p. 60.)

Feb-08-06
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  McCool: Why??? That was the stupidest thing you could have done honestly.
Mar-14-06  Dodd: Nice example of the swallow tail mate though - whether this ever really happened or not (I imagine white still wakes up at three in the morning sweating about it) I'll nab it for my collection so the kids can have a good laugh!
Apr-27-06  dutchboy13: what kind of move is that by white takin out his king does it have any sense?
May-02-06
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  goldthread: <OhioChessFan> Is the post you mention incestiously hilarious?
May-03-06
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  OhioChessFan: Everything's relative, <goldthread>.
May-03-06
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  technical draw: Sometimes when you move a pawn in front of the king you may accidently brush the King (or indeed knock it over), this is incidental contact and you are not obliged to move it. This happens a lot when you have fat fingers and the pieces are small.
May-11-06  dutchboy13: very dumb move by white
May-11-06  DeepBlade: <<ath>: Infohunter's guess is right: this game appears on the last page of the congress book, where it is made clear that Lindemann wanted to play 3.Sc3, but grabbed the bishop instead (so: Bc1-c3), and had to make a King's move as the laws in use required.> If a piece cant make a move, you must choose a piece which CAN make a move, so you arent forced to move your king, thats what I think...
Oct-23-06  XadrezBrasileiro: Center Counter Game/Suicidal King Gambit:
1.e4 d5
2.exd5 Qxd5
3.Ke2!!
Master's comments: The solid Ke2!! develops the king to a logical square, where it blocks in both the queen and bishop and places itself in a perfect checkmate position. Its only drawbacks are the cramping of the queen and bishop, giving up the ability to castle, and the slight drop of material (White must give up his king in order to grab the superior position).

It must be noted that white has some slightly better options here, including:

3.a3
3.a4
3.b3
3.b4
3.c3
3.c4
3.d3
3.d4
3.f3
3.f4
3.g3
3.g4
3.h3
3.h4
3.Nc3
3.Na3
3.Nf3
3.Nh3
3.Be2
3.Bd3
3.Bc4
3.Bb5
3.Ba6
3.Qe2
3.Qf3
3.Qg4
3.Qh5!!(Another one of our favorite lines, where white sacrifices a queen for positional advantages, such as developing his bishop to e2 with tempo!!)

Oct-27-06
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  polfus4: Lol...
Well, I've read somwhere that Echtermeyer wanted to move the Queen, but he touched the King by mistake, so he was forced to move the king. Watch up where you put your fingers.
Nov-17-06  Amulet: Will this qualify for the game of millenium for white.
Dec-17-06
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  Rubenus: <XadrezBrasileiro> I couldn't help that I was laughing for at least one minute after I read your message. Thanks for the analysis, I've just won a game using 3.Qh5!!
Dec-17-06
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  alexmagnus: Ehrm, it says black didn't mate immediately. If so, why didn't white try to escape? To move d- or f-pawn?
Dec-17-06
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  alexmagnus: <I couldn't help that I was laughing for at least one minute after I read your message. Thanks for the analysis, I've just won a game using 3.Qh5!!> This was of couse a joke, but if you change the game a bit.... 1.e4 d5 2.e5 c5 3.Qh5 was used in a serious game at least twice.
Dec-21-06
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  Rubenus: <alexmagnus> But that is no sacrifice.
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