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Prince Andrey Dadian of Mingrelia vs Doubrava
Kiev (1896)
Uncommon Opening (A00)  ·  1-0
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Jun-12-17  goodevans: This position has appeared in many games and it would seem that more often than not white misses the <very easy> 5.Bxf7+.

After 5.Bxf7+ black is not obliged to take the B as in A Srebrnic vs A L'Ami, 2007 but white is clearly better anyway and usually goes on to win.

Jun-12-17  bla bla: why he surrender ?becouse Qf3? A????
Jun-12-17
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  thegoodanarchist: <bla bla: why he surrender ?becouse Qf3? A????>

6...Kf6 7.Qf3#
6...Kf8 7.Ne6+ wins the queen
6...Ke8 7.Ne6 wins the queen

Jun-12-17  bla bla: Thanks you veryyyyyy much
Jun-12-17  rea: This is the guy who forced the exclusion of Chigorin from the Monte Carlo tournament of 1903, claiming that Chigorin had insulted him.
Jun-12-17
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  Cheapo by the Dozen: This Doubrava guy never seemed to learn from his errors. See Prince Dadian vs Doubrava, 1895
Jun-12-17  mel gibson: Easy one but Black can't take the bishop.
The computer says:

5. Bxf7+ (5. Bxf7+ (♗c4xf7+ ♔e8-f8
♘f3-g5 ♘d7-f6 ♗f7-b3 c7-c6 ♘b1-c3 ♘g8-h6 O-O ♘f6-h5 ♕d1-d3 ♕d8-b6 ♖f1-d1 ♔f8-e8 a2-a4 ♔e8-d8 a4-a5 ♕b6-c7 e4-e5 ♖h8-f8) +2.56/17 119)

score for white +2.56 depth 17

Jun-12-17
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  c antunes: Delightful tale! Where have you been, <Once>? GOTD kibitzing is devalued without your contribution;)
Jun-12-17  Vermit: 4..Ngf6 would have made for a more interesting tale.
Jun-12-17
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  kevin86: White mates or wins the queen via a fork or smother.
Jun-12-17
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  Fusilli: <Cheapo by the Dozen: This Doubrava guy never seemed to learn from his errors. See Prince Dadian vs Doubrava, 1895>

lol, indeed.

Jun-12-17
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  Peligroso Patzer: <ChessHigherCat: What is Doubrava, anyway, some Czech village? Maybe the Prince said he would release the villagers from taxes if he lost and then played the village idiot ***>

This presumably tongue-in-cheek hypothesis gains some credence when one compares the following game played in the previous year between the same opponents (which game is also mentioned in a comment in this thread by <Cheapo by the Dozen>): Prince Dadian vs Doubrava, 1895

Interestingly, it was Prince Dadian who introduced the novelty (2. d4) in the 1896 game (in lieu of 2. Bc4, as played in the 1895 game). Despite the Prince’s decision to vary on move 2, Doubrava managed to lose to the same tactical motif in both games.

Jun-12-17
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  chrisowen: Vehicle f7s flackhug takes u f7s flashhug flush 5...Kf8 gen viva flushhand 2 dang daddy vent auger vam us bunt very vehicle f7s flackhug keg wad map cab bap ban cant q i wrist vim fors hi v flow u z its hire op tarquin vided its prone hit q its hi ro v i pent luv q duv hen qi port hep qi torn von guv bow pent rho qi vic re nth qi v op ok von guv kes vow off f7s faustsus vehicle f7s flashhug very key keg gack grew vet wad dam map bap pa blo cab ban vim can cant q i wrist vim risk here huff fors hi v flo u z it ok vow gun von guv bunts 5.Bxf7+ flackhug bat vow but tub tab bantam bunt kes vow f7s flashhug fallguys give hdqsquad harrumph fag flung fun gust guv nub fan hug hung hang gag gang flush huff flash fangs am bunch no nincompop ok vow abacus flab fag bags ball baulk black bag gaff gab gall 4...Bg7 focus u vigil often vamp by gangways 2 dang daddy vent auger vam us bunt 4...Nb6 focus buffhug level auger vam us bunt fangs am bunch genie 5...Kxf7 gen viva flackhug genius flunghud flush 5...Kf8 gen viva flushhand 2 dang daddy vent auger vam us bunt dam mad pad luv maddy paddy map dad apply u g7s gallways 2 dang daddy vent auger vam us bunt 4...Nb6 focus buffhug level auger vam us bunt crush vents wand guv hulls wads nah glad dang ruffle feathers am jaffa blud wads banal it ok vow guv bad huck bawl lab flay hark hunt harm hug dug dang hang hung nows um feel blush fag hmmm cc u hutch 6. Ng5+ body gangus won auld d8 dunkhands taurus bull i vims had bunny vehicle f7s fallguys no nincompop ok vet fanfare ive brilliant.
Jun-12-17  AlastairMarston: GM Mark Hebden beat Richard Allis at Blackpool 2015 in similar fashion. Allis played 5..Kf8 and lost in 24 moves.
Jun-12-17  schnarre: ...Good beginning from the Prince.
Jun-12-17
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  ChessHigherCat: Peligroso Patzer: <ChessHigherCat: What is Doubrava, anyway, some Czech village? Maybe the Prince said he would release the villagers from taxes if he lost and then played the village idiot ***>

<This presumably tongue-in-cheek hypothesis gains some credence when one compares the following game played in the previous year between the same opponents (which game is also mentioned in a comment in this thread by <Cheapo by the Dozen>): Prince Dadian vs Doubrava, 1895>

I looked up Doubrava on Wiki and all I could find is that it means "oak grove" and that it's the name of several southern Slavic villages. If it were a person, you'd think he (or she, since it's a feminine form) would have a last name, although peasants didn't always have one. The game was played in Kiev, but the Prince might have ordered the village idiot to come crawling all the way to the palace while the aristocrats amused themselves by throwing tomatoes and chicken-heads at him (subsequently collected and stewed into a famed local soup).

Jun-12-17  Arlekhino: This is my first post as a registered member: greetings, everyone! I have been appreciating this community for some time now, and hope to contribute positively from now on.
Jun-12-17  nasher: Thanks for your funny story <Once>. I always like to read your posts. Thanks again.
Jun-13-17
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  Gypsy: <I looked up Doubrava on Wiki and all I could find is that it means "oak grove" and that it's the name of several southern Slavic villages. ...>

Following all in Czech:

dub = oak
doubrava = oak grove
doubravka = little oak grove

(1) Surnames:
Mr. Doubrava .... a masculine surname
Ms. Doubravova ... a feminine surname

(2) Feminine first names:
Doubravka ...242 (May, 2007)
Doubrava ... 9 (May, 2007)

----

Some etymologists claim that the term 'doubrava' is not derived from 'dub', but rather that it was a general old Slavonic term for forest. In any case, Doubrava or Doubravka (or both) is the name of ...

... a score of Czech towns and villages
... several smaller mountains/hills
... several creeks
... one river (a tributary of Elbe)

In popular movies ... Doubravka is the name of one psychologist and one cow (both in 'Leto s kovbojem').

Jun-13-17
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  ChessHigherCat: <Gypsy: In popular movies ... Doubravka is the name of one psychologist and one cow (both in 'Leto s kovbojem')>

Thanks for the detailed explanations. It's funny when you think that places didn't always have special place names like Dogville, somebody would just say we live over there by the little oak grove and that was how everybody described the place.

'Leto s kovbojem' = Summer with the cowboy?

Jun-13-17  sudoplatov: These combinations do happen at times. Here's an early game from Lachex (a program I contributed to).

Lachex vs J Nogueiras, 1990

Jun-13-17
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  Gypsy: 'Leto s kovbojem' = Summer with the cowboy?

Indeed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%...

Daniela Kolarova plays the psychologist Doubravka; cow is not credited; the movie is a comedy.

(Btv, Daniela Kolarova is one of the grandest dames of Czech movie and theater, as well as of civic life.)

Jun-14-17
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  ChessHigherCat: "Gypsy: 'Leto s kovbojem' = Summer with the cowboy? cow is not credited;"

Udder discrimination!

Jun-14-17
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  rodchuck: To quote <chris owen> in part: ”flackhug…daddy vent auger vam von guv bow…faustsus vehicle…flunghud flush…dad apply…dunkhands Taurus.. bunny vehicle”. This succinct and deeply provocative analysis dumfounds me and judging by the numerous responses to his many contributions in this style, I may suppose I am not alone…..
Jun-14-17
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  chrisowen: <rodchuck> Thank-you for your praise and rebuttal o live for a day :)
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