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Frank Melville Teed vs Eugene Delmar
New York (1896), New York, NY USA
Dutch Defense: Hopton Attack (A80)  ·  1-0


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  lost in space: 7. Qxh5+ Rxh5 8. Bg6#
Nov-28-16  stst: Q-sac Monday

7.Qxh5+ RxQ

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  patzer2: Ouch! Black must have been "teed off" after realizing 6...Rh6? loses to 7. Qxh5+ Rxh5 8. Bg6#.

Instead, 6...d6 creates an escape square with survival chances for Black after 7. exf4 8. h4 Nf3 (+0.77 @ 27 depth, Komodo 10.1).

Earlier, I prefer the popular move 2...g6 as in Black's win in S L Narayanan vs Caruana, 2016.

Nov-28-16  jffun1958: A queen sac in preparation of a fool's mate.
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  agb2002: The material is complete.

Black threatens fxg3.

White delivers mate by deflecting the rook from g6: 7.Qxh5+ and mate next.

Nov-28-16  AlicesKnight: White can mate at once with Bg6 if the R is decoyed, so Qxh5+ and mate on g6 next move.
Nov-28-16  Steve.Patzer: I agree that 5....Nf6 is an improvement.
Nov-28-16  Cheapo by the Dozen: Is Delmar the most accomplished player recorded falling for any version of the Fool's Mate?
Nov-28-16  Caissas Clown: Well , it's just a casual game , so we cannot criticise Mr.Delmar tooooo much!

Still , 13 years of kibitzing , yet no mention of Black's second move ?? I don't like 2..h6 and would have played 2..g6.

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  morfishine: <7.Qxh5+> absurd game
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  thegoodanarchist: A game from the 1800s, when you could name a child Melville Teed (or Eugene) and he wouldn't get beaten in school everyday.
Nov-28-16  saturn2: Qh5 RxQ or Rg6 and mate next
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  patzer2: <Caissas Clown> I mentioned I prefer 2...g6 =.

However, the first really weak move appears to be 3...g5? which allows 4. Be5 Rh7 5. e4 (+0.87 @ 24 depth, Stockfish 8).

Instead, 3...Nf6 = (0.26 @ 30 depth, Stockfish 7) appears to hold it about level.

Nov-28-16  zb2cr: I remember seeing this before.

My response is the same: 7. Qxh5+. Rxh5; 8. Bg6#.

If Black plays 7. ... Rg6,, then taking the Rook with either the Queen or the Bishop is mate.

Nov-28-16  NBZ: A more interesting puzzle is to try to reconstruct the moves that lead to the puzzle position.
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  Once: Now that is really funny. I am sure that black thought he was easily winning until he realised that he was utterly lost.

I like the way that white kept on threatening mate on the h5-e8 diagonal until black can't defend against it.

5. e3 threatens Qh5#.
6. Bd3 threatens Bg6#

6...Rh6 seems to protect against both threats, but this rook is overworked. It has to patrol both h5 and g6.

White then gets to play both of the moves that he was threatening - Qh5 and Bg6. Very funny ... unless you're the player with the black pieces.

That's one of the reasons why many Dutch players start with 1...e6 before pushing f5. You have to know the French, but it does sidestep some of white's tricks.

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  mjmorri: Trying to Noah's Ark a Bishop on the king side is asking for trouble. I think White had all of this worked out ahead of time.
Nov-28-16  TheTamale: I think the "Hopton Attack" needs to be renamed. Maybe the "Hopton Helpmate" would be more apt.
Nov-28-16  timetraveler: Is it clear that White's trap is sound? After 6....e6 (instead of 6....Rh6??); 7. Bg6+, Ke7; 8.ef, h4 Black's king position doesn't look enviable, but a piece is a piece, after all.
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  PawnSac: well its Q sac monday! Qxh5 and Bg6#
Nov-28-16  R4f43l L3 M4550n: Very instructive today's puzzle!
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  Bubo bubo: The Fool's Mate trap in the Dutch: 7.Qxh5+ with mate after either 7...Rxh5 8.Bg6# or 7...Rg6 Q/Bxg6#.
Nov-28-16  drollere: never chase the white KB. it usually doesn't end well.
Nov-28-16  bubuli55: 6...e5 perhaps
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  kevin86: White mates in two with queen sac
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