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|May-17-10|| ||kevin86: Black tried so hard to gain the bishop in a Noah's Ark type of track-when white thows him the queen. |
This fool's type mate is a common trap in the opening.
|May-17-10|| ||playground player: Mr. Delmar was by no means a clown--so how does he wind up playing a game like this? I guess any master can be a patzer on any given day.|
|May-17-10|| ||Voices0fdoom: When I was in Chess Club in Primary School. The Professor would show us the Opening Defenses that were Futile. Exposing f7 with no other developed pieces is a BIG No No.|
|May-17-10|| ||Voices0fdoom: After this puzzle they should post Gioachino Greco vs. NN. 1.e4, b6 2.d4, Bb7 3.Bd3, f5 4.exf5, Bxg2 5.Qh5+, g6 6.fxg6, Nf6 7.gxh7+, Nxh5 8.Bg6#. A case in Point of Exposing f7|
|May-17-10|| ||gtgloner: OK, nothing much to this. 7. Qxh5+ Rxh5 8. Bg6#. Don't even need to check about this one!|
|May-17-10|| ||Skafi: <Once:> Thank you for all your brilliant inputs and may your mother recover well.|
|May-17-10|| ||jsheedy: I recognized this position from books I've studies. 7. Qxh5+, Rxh5, 8. Bg6#. I think I've even played this once or twice against weak opponents.|
|May-17-10|| ||rapidcitychess: 1.Qxh5+ Rxh5 2. Bg6#
I had seen this game before, but it would of been still rather easy.
|May-17-10|| ||wals: Something to really get your teeth into.
Rybka 3 1-cpu:3071mb hash: depth 16:
1. = (0.17): 4...d6 5.e3 Nf6 6.Nc3 c6 7.h4 g4 8.Qd2 Nh5 9.Nge2 Nd7 10.0-0-0 Ndf6 11.Nf4 Nxg3
2. = (0.18): 4...Nf6 5.e3 c5 6.h4 g4 7.dxc5 Qa5+ 8.Nc3 Bg7 9.Qd2 Qxc5 10.Nge2 Nc6 11.0-0-0 d6 12.Nf4 Bd7 13.Kb1
3. = (0.18): 4...c5 5.e3 Nf6 6.h4 g4 7.dxc5 Qa5+ 8.Nc3 Bg7 9.Qd2 Qxc5 10.Nge2 Nc6 11.0-0-0 d6 12.Nf4 Bd7 13.Kb1
4. = (0.22): 4...Bg7 5.e3 Nf6 6.h4 c5 7.hxg5 hxg5 8.Rxh8+ Bxh8 9.dxc5 Qa5+ 10.c3 Qxc5 11.Nh3 g4 12.Nf4 Nc6 13.Nd2 Ne5 14.Nb3 Qb6
|May-17-10|| ||MaxxLange: Ah, Monday! A hot bowl of stew for the kibitzer's starving ego. I of course solved this before I even opened my browser.|
<Believe it or not: 6.Bd3? is a mistake. 6...d6!> Very interesting. In Fritz10's book, the only line is 6. Bd3 Kf7, but the engine likes 6...d6 much better. It thinks the only move for a real advantage in the game's line is 6. Be2
|May-17-10|| ||wals: Spot on <mrbasso>,
6.Bd3 (=0.10), is a mistake IF d6 had been played.
1. = (0.10): 7.exf4 h4 8.fxg5 hxg3 9.fxg3 Bg7 10.Nf3 c5 11.Bg6+ Kd7 12.dxc5 Bxb2 13.Nbd2 Kc7 14.Rb1 Bc3 15.Rb3 Bg7 16.Ne4 d5 17.Qd2
2. = (-0.18): 7.Nf3 c6 8.exf4 h4 9.Nxg5 hxg3 10.Bg6+ Kd7 11.Qg4+ Kc7 12.Qxg3 Nh6 13.Nc3
|May-17-10|| ||randomsac: Too bad for black. It seems he noticed the mating pattern initially (since he played h5 to stop the Queen mating on the diagonal), but he overlooked the same theme with the bishop. Just weird.|
|May-17-10|| ||MaxxLange: I think it is just an example of the "impossible move" blunder. Black just didn't consider that White could sac his Queen. It's not that he analyzed it wrong, he just did not look at it at all.|
|May-17-10|| ||cjgone: Ouch.|
|May-17-10|| ||BOSTER: <ROO.BOOKAROO>. <Another of those absurd games..>-not so absurd how you can imagine.
<Kevin86> .< Black tried so hard to gain the bishop in a Noah's Ark type-when white throws him the queen>.
Maybe it is sound very strange ,but in such opening Black can really catch the bold bishop if after 6.Bd3 black play Kf7.
The bishop will be caught!
If 7.Qf3 Kg7 8. exf4 h4!
|May-17-10|| ||WhiteRook48: 7 Qxh5+ too easy|
|May-17-10|| ||MaxxLange: Fritz gives 6. Bd3 Kf7 7. exf4 h4 8. fxg5 hxg3 9. Qf3+ Kg7 10 Qe4 and
After 6 Bd3, 6...d6! is the best move, although, you probably have to play a bunch of computer moves, to hold this mess with Black|
|May-17-10|| ||zooter: I've seen this game....
7.Qxh5+ Rxh5 8.Bg6#
I'm pretty sure everybody is right on the ball this time
|May-17-10|| ||gawain: Neat variation on the theme of the Fool's mate. Qxh5+ will do the trick,for after the rook takes on h5 or moves to g6 white plays Bg6 mate.|
Checking that this is really the one called the Fool's mate, I see that the Wikipedia article on the Fool's Mate features this very game: Teed v Delmar.
|Apr-10-11|| ||Phony Benoni: From <Checkmate>, April 1901, p. 53:|
<"Mr. F. M. Teed writes us that the gamelet in our last issue between himself and Mr. Delmar was not a tournament game as stated, but one of the "skittles" variety played many years previous at the Manhattan Chess Club. Mr. Delmar's tourney play is not marked by such carelessness.">
|Aug-13-11|| ||Phony Benoni: Chess moves on. From the <Brooklyn Daily Eagle>, January 18, 1934, here is a game Frank Marshall witnessed at his club in the "Class B" tournament:|
Ressel vs. Piperno
Since Capablanca had proclaimed the death of chess a few years earlier, players hoped to prolong the inevitable by getting out of the books early.
A rather conservative response, but perhaps it is best to be careful against unconventional play.
From experience, White knew that ...Qh4+ was a powerful move against his opening. This stops that idea cold!
You never know, you know.
He sees it!
And White is teed off.
Not wanting to rub it in. Or perhaps he remembered Augustus J. Dirp's advice: "Never sacrifice a piece twice before you have sacrificed all the other pieces once."
And Delmar welcomes another inductee into Fool's Paradise.
|Oct-21-12|| ||Abdel Irada: In this game, I knew what was going to happen to Black as soon as he played 5. ...h5? because I've played a very similar position, ending with the same combination, in at least one blitz game against Steve Sullivan.|
But there's one move in this line that I keep wondering about: 5. ...e5!?. I've never played into this specific opening, but it raises the kinds of questions and leads to the kinds of positions that start playing themselves over in my head at odd moments. But somehow I've never seriously analyzed the outcome, so I still don't know whether Black has played naïvely or White has unsoundly sacrificed his bishop.
|Oct-21-12|| ||perfidious: < playground player: ....I guess any master can be a patzer on any given day.>|
Don't I know it.
|Mar-17-15|| ||bengalcat47: Even Lasker once attempted to trap Schlechter's dark-square Bishop and fell right into a trap himself!|
|May-30-15|| ||Geesh: I guess somebody Teed right off?|
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