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Sanahuja vs Fernandez
Badalona (1983)
English Opening: King's English Variation. Three Knights System General (A27)  ·  1-0
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Jul-25-12
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  DarthStapler: Got it
Jul-25-12  poszvald: gofer:

At royal fork number 4 case after
7 Nxd7 Qd6
8 Bf4! Qxd1+
9 Rxd1 Rb8
10 Ne6+ Ke8
11 Bxb8 dxe6 would follow,

which also gives white the necessary lead, however not ending in a royal fork.

Jul-25-12
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  Oxspawn: When my opponent has two knights in play and they well joined, I immediately start to panic and this case I think Fernandez should do likewise.

7. Nxc7
Black cannot take with the king because of the queen fork with the other knight on d5

If Rb8
8. Bg5 Qxg5
9. Ne6+ forking king and queen.
If 8. Kxc7
9. Nc5+ puts the queen in double jeopardy

It seem that white wins the queen in return for the bishop and knight, while black’s king is already exposed and white’s queen, knight are soon to be joined by the white bishop. But what if black plays
7. Bd6 (which means that the white knight is no longer safe on e6)?

I don’t see anything better for white than
8. Nxa8 intending to play Nd5 to try to get the more advanced knight back safely.

I am confident there is a more aggressive move available than this but don’t see it in the 15 minutes I have spent on this… Over to you, more far-seeing folk.

Jul-25-12
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  Oxspawn: So what is the answer to
7. Nxc7 Bd6 ?

now if
8. Bg5 Qxg5
9. Ne6+ dxe6
10.Qxd6 Bd7

not so good for white... There must be something better than 8. Nxa8 surely?

Jul-25-12  zb2cr: Very nice little combination. This one took some 2 minutes of thought for me.
Jul-25-12  EXIDE: Missed this one completely. Nice combination! I spent too much time looking at Nd5 instead.
Jul-25-12  Zanderix: 7. Nxc7 then 8. Ag5 and the queen is gone
Jul-25-12  Zatrikion: The point is to fork the King and the Queen with N:

7.Nxc7 Rb8

if 7..Kxc7 8.Nd5+ (Q is lost 1-0)
if 7..Qg6 Nxa8 and the N escapes easily. 1-0

Back in the main line:
8.Bg5 Qxg5 (forced due to pin)
9.Ne6+ (Q is lost 1-0)

Jul-25-12  stacase: I failed to notice that White's Queen pins Black's c7 Pawn allowing 9 Ne6+ which would successfully fork Black's King & Queen if Black took the Bishop. OUCH!
Jul-25-12
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  Castleinthesky: I'll give myself 1/2 credit, I saw Nxc7 and thought about Bg5, but did not work it out. Spot on for a Wednesday.
Jul-25-12  TheTamale: Clever combination and fun puzzle. I did not get it; although I saw the thematic elements, I couldn't figure out how to combine them effectively. Kudos to Sanahuja, chess genius for the ages!
Jul-25-12  Herma48852: This took a bit of time but after 7. Nxc7 Rb8 ( .. Kxc7? 8. Nd5+ and 9.Nxf6 ) 8. Bg5 Qxg5. Now the pin on the d-file of the d7 pawn allows 9. Ne6+ . A very good puzzle for me with my weak tactical vision with themes of attraction, multiple pins and forks.
Jul-25-12  Memethecat: 7.Nxc7 the N is safe because of the royal fork: 7...Kxc7 8.Nd5+, but there has to be more than a measly pawn.

7.Nxc7 Qf7 (7...Rb8 8.Bg5 Qxg5 Ne6+ making use of the pinned d pawn, wins the Q) 8.Nxa8 & white gets a whole R too.

Jul-25-12
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  kevin86: Wow! a huge pile of knight fork possibilities in eight moves.

A good pun could be: FORK DRAWER.

Jul-25-12
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  Oxspawn: <Kevin 86> <A good pun could be: FORK DRAWER> Except that according to everyone - this is not a draw(er) but a win(ner) and "forking well lorst again" will probably offend somebody.

But someone put me out of my misery
<7. Nxc7 Bd6>
(quoting myself in desperation)
looks better for black than the ineffective Bb4

It seems to me that this scuppers the fork since the pawn on d7 is now allowed to take the knight on e6. What is white's winning combination (I am not sure that 8. Nxa8 is clearly a winning move - I could easily lose it from there.)

Jul-25-12  dragon player: Strange puzzle today. There's no obvious winner. This move is nice, but I'm not so sure about it:

7.Nxc7 Rb8

hang on, I spotted something:

8.Bg5! Qxg5
9.Ne6+

winning the queen.

Time to check.

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That was a quite short game, but it was black's own fault. Only idiots would play 3...f5 and 5...Qf6.

3/3

Jul-25-12
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  chrisowen: Ah, bishopg5 looks tempting as tank in c7 chooses in pittance kingc7

and i fliplop in d5 wins the queen get in b8 and suffer in e6 after

g5 i shall demonstrate g5 you know midfield gen queen must harbour

in g5 where we get to here ne6 hasten his end in every it hope in

cheap it shot to none in theory it e4 dim view in hug exd4 plays in

white hands a novelty ram one squeeze f6? brave in cubical zone b5

effect o kd8 c7 opens the way it measure bus in 7.rb8 ringing the

changes in weapon yeah 8.bg5 in wedge off f6 in gertrude go escry it

down in dig bb4 lest we forget in black it doing imply a 9.bxc3 qxc3

10.bd2 a nasty suprise in store mind you knight see it tones no need

in manic get one idea nc7 bg5 cheerio ja!

Jul-25-12
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  lost in space: What a nice combination!

7. Nxc7 Rb8
(not 7...Kxc7 Nd5+; royal fork)

8. Bg5! Qxg5 9. Ne6+ (royal fork again)

1:0

Jul-25-12
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  lost in space: more than 230 idiots played 3. f5 and know what? 30% of the idiots won. No goods sign for the non-idiots Opening Explorer
Jul-25-12
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  TheBish: Sanahuja vs Fernandez, 1983

White to play (7.?) "Medium/Easy"

It often amazes me how early in the game some of these combos occur. This one occurs because of three factors: (1) Black's king has moved, putting it in line with White's queen (allowing a certain pin); (2) Black's queen is vulnerable on f6 -- it can be attacked by Nd5 or a timely Bg5; (3) The c7 pawn is free to capture, as a result of the previous factor.

7. Nxc7! Rb8

Of course if 7...Kxc7 8. Nd5+ wins the queen, but that is no worse than what follows. Maybe best here is 7...Qe5 8. Nxa8 Qb8, losing an exchange and pawn, but Black is busted in any case.

8. Bg5! Kxc7

Black has to bail out here, since if 8...Qxg5 9. Ne6+ wins the queen at the cost of only one piece.

9. Nd5+ Kd8 10. Nxf6 wins.

Jul-25-12  Elo: After a loss like that I would just give up playing chess.
Jul-25-12  1stboard: The danger of moving you queen to early in the game ......
Jul-26-12  Amarande: Here's an amusing little side story, though, if Black had played on. It's amazing how easy it can be to throw away even the most won of won games!

For instance: 8 ... Kxc7 9 Bxf6 Nxf6 10 Nb5+ Kd8 11 Nd6 (depriving Black of one of the little comforts he has, his two Bishops) Be7 12 Nxc8 Kxc8 13 Qc2 Re8 14 e3? f4! 15 exf4?? Bb4++ 16 Kd1 Re1# and at this point White may feel free to bang himself over the head a few times with his King (weighted wood, of course).

And it's because of continuations like this that I might have played on a few moves at least, myself :)

Jul-26-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Infohunter: <Oxspawn:

...

But someone put me out of my misery
<7. Nxc7 Bd6>
(quoting myself in desperation)
looks better for black than the ineffective Bb4

It seems to me that this scuppers the fork since the pawn on d7 is now allowed to take the knight on e6. What is white's winning combination (I am not sure that 8. Nxa8 is clearly a winning move - I could easily lose it from there.)>

Well, perhaps so. But in master-level play, being the Exchange ahead is *ceteris paribus* sufficient to win. As I see it, you are to be commended for finding what is a much stronger defense than that chosen by Black; however, it still isn't enough to hold against correct play by White.

Oct-27-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <dragon player: ....That was a quite short game, but it was black's own fault. Only idiots would play 3...f5 and 5...Qf6....>

While I agree that 5....Qf6 is a lemon, better replaced with 4....e4 (played in all other examples given in this DB per Opening Explorer), 3....f5 is quite playable.

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