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|Dec-21-04|| ||patzer2: Today's puzzle solution 21...Qf7! is a "deflection" tactic, which utilizes "double attack" and an "in between move" to win a decisive piece. This move also proves the White Queen to be an "overworked piece" unable to protect both threatened Knights and herself. |
|Dec-21-04|| ||sandyobrien: err'body in the club gettin' Thipsay |
|Dec-21-04|| ||TheAussiePatzer: ein tolles zwischenzug! |
|Dec-21-04|| ||Hinchliffe: <sandyobrien> LOL. Have to say it made me laugh. And yes I shall be gettin' extremely Thipsay later. |
|Dec-21-04|| ||nosh: I'm happy to say I spent no more than a few seconds looking for an attack on the king. It just looked too safe. I then looked for weakly defended pieces and overworked pieces. Clearly to win a knight the queen had to be deflected. Could it be done? In this case you can use the queen since you have a check to allow you to retake the white queen later.|
So what's my point? Don't look for a mate just because that's the sort of problem you're used to. Look for the weaknesses of the actual position and how you can exploit them.
I'm really glad chessgames.com is including lots of non-mating combinations as problem of the day.
|Dec-21-04|| ||ice lemon tea: i spent so much time to find the mate moves only to realize that it was a puzzle to win material... |
|Dec-21-04|| ||johnwgoes: Won't 22. QxQ RxQ 23. Nd2 save the knight and equality? |
|Dec-21-04|| ||notsodeepthought: <johnwgoes> After 22 QxQ, black plays 22 ... NxN (Nxe2) with check - and after 23 K-KR1 (Kh1), black takes back the queen and remains a piece up. |
|Dec-21-04|| ||notyetagm: I was stuck for a while before I realized that both the White ♘b3 and ♕c4 were loose and lined up and that by playing 21 ... ♕f7! Black hits them both. Then there is the in-between move sequence 22 ♕xf7 ♘xe2+! 23 ♔h8 ♖xf7 if White plays ♕x♕ or if White tries to defend the ♕ with either rook or the ♘b3, then this defense is <illusory> and 22 ... ♕xc4 removes the guard of the White ♘e2.|
So 21 ... ♕f7! simply wins a piece.
|Dec-21-04|| ||flamboyant: yeaaa i got it :) |
|Dec-21-04|| ||kevin86: I missed this one-I thought:21... b5 22 axb5 cxb5 23 ♕d3 ♘f3+ would win---mistakenly thinking the queen was on d8 instead of e8-obviously wrong. |
|Dec-21-04|| ||Iron Dragon: I blew this one. Can someone give me a link to the puzzle for Monday along with the question? Thanks. |
|Dec-21-04|| ||charms: 21 - ♘f3+ ♔h1 and White seems okay, while after
21 - ♘f3+ gxf3 22 ♘g3 ♕d7 ♘d2 ♕xd2 Black is much better.
|Dec-21-04|| ||klausewitz: Missed one. More than 15 minutes looking for checkmate... |
|Dec-21-04|| ||DanielBryant: <sandyobrien>
HAHA that's great pun material there.
|Dec-21-04|| ||tpstar: <Iron Dragon> M Jadoul vs G Plomp, 2003 White to Play and Win after 28 ... Rxe4. |
|Dec-21-04|| ||jkiipli: If I looked up the solution, I was asking myself if I dont see such simple moves, what the f*** can I see then? but surprisingly alot of kibizers didn't get it, amazing.
Anyway I saw right away that there is no mate and noted that if queen could be deflected somehow...so I was on halfway there |
|Dec-21-04|| ||notyetagm: Don't feel too bad. Sasikiran was rated almost 2600 and he didn't see it. |
|Dec-21-04|| ||KKW: I did not get this puzzle at first, but when I looked at the game it was so easy |
|Dec-21-04|| ||erikcu: Yeah the key is that the knight can check the king, and then the rook can clean up the queen, if white tries trading. That darn king can be a real detriment to defense. I suppose that is why I often sacrifice my king; it simplifies my game. |
|Dec-21-04|| ||KKW: What do you by 'I often sacrifice my king'? |
|Dec-21-04|| ||KKW: Correction: [erikcu] What do you mean by 'I often sacrifice my king'? |
|Dec-22-04|| ||Iron Dragon: Thank you, tpstar! |
|Dec-22-04|| ||kevin86: <KKW> I think erikcu was being sarcastic. |
|Aug-10-08|| ||DiscoJew: I also like the Errbody in da club gettin Thipsay pun...Contemporary pop culture buffs who love chess would eat this alive!!!|
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