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| Feb-09-08 |
| Riverbeast: "Solazzo is known as the Turk...He's supposedly very good with a knife...but only in matters of business, or some reasonable complaint" |
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Feb-09-08
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| Phony Benoni: It's a good pun, but I have to agree with <cyruslaithy> that "Napoleon Blown Apart" would have been even better. <al Wazir> It may have been a prudent move to let the Emperor last 20 moves. |
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Feb-09-08
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| eternaloptimist: Napoleon apparently didn't have enough sense to understand that moving your  out too early is normally a bad idea (esp. on the second move):P. Four of his first ten moves were w/ the - a recipe for disaster. In a nutshell, he got spanked.:D |
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Feb-09-08
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| al wazir: Besides missing a mate in 2 on move 14 in order to grab the white (see my post above), black missed the best continuation on the next move: 15...Nf4+ 16. gxf4 (16. Kg1 Qxg3+ 17. Kf1/Kh1 Qg2#; 16. Kf1 Qh3+ 17. Kg1 Qg2#) Qxf2+ 17. Kh3 Qxe1, and black mates shortly with the  and .Supposedly Philidor was the first of the chess masters who sat inside the "automaton" and made the moves. Whoever his successor was when this game was played, he was no Philidor! |
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| Feb-09-08 |
| chessamateur: <al wazir> Perhaps, but I can't get the idea out of my head of the guy (I know the guy played inside the machine) making Napoleon sweat it out in embarrassment. Of course on the other hand, that could also be most unwise for obvious reasons. |
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| Feb-10-08 |
| JeremyBrowne: Although 11..Nxh3+ is an attractive looking move, in my view either 11... Nf3+ or 11...Qg5 is much stronger. Either move wins the queen or leads to mate. |
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Feb-11-08
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| mike1: To Al-Wazir
Edgar Allen Poe got it right.He said:
" its a man, Schlumberger".Maybe not as good as Philidor but he won nearly all the games during his "Turk"-time. |
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Feb-11-08
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| kevin86: The pun reminds me of an old (and sick) war joke:
What did they call the Frenchman who dove on a granade? Napoleon Blownapart. What did they call the Russian who dove on a granade? Destroyed Evsky What did they call the American who dove on a granade? Lucky,because it was a dud. I warned you it was sick. |
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Feb-11-08
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| waustad: An artificial chess machine would do well in Schoenbrunn. The Hapsburgs even had fake Roman ruins built there. It is a lovely place if you like palaces. It's a great view from the Gloriette. |
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| Feb-11-08 |
| Riverbeast: Who was shorter, Napoleon or the guy hiding in the machine? |
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| Feb-11-08 |
| HOTDOG: 5.a3 is a waste of time,better 5.Nc3 or 5.0-0.then 6.h3 was better to avoid Bg4.then 9...Qh4 was perhaps stronger,and for this reason White had to play 10.Qg4! equalizing,instead 10.Qd1?? is a blunder leading to a lost position.Black played now 10...Nd4? but 10...Qg5! was better,leading to a mate in 8:for example 11.g4 Nxh3+ 12.Kh2 Qh4 13.Bxf7+ Kxf7 14.Qe3(other moves lose more quickly)Nf4+ 15.Kg1 Qxg4+ 16.Qg3 Qxg3+ 17.Kh1 Qg2 mate.after 10...Nd4? White could have played 11.Qd1 limiting the damage(11...Qg5! 12.Qg4 Qxg4 13.hxg4 Nxc2),but 11.Bb3?? is a blunder again;however 11...Qg5! or 11.Nf3+! win more quickly. |
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| Mar-28-08 |
| mistreaver: Imho this opening is so bad what is the point of such and early queen advance with 2 Qf3 except of instant threaths that can easily be parried |
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| Jul-26-08 |
| FizzyY: Napoleon Attack!
for such a great strategist
what a horrible opening strategy. |
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| Nov-26-08 |
| Pa3PyX: Opening is suboptimal... ultimately it was 11. Bb3 that was his doom, though. Had he played 11. Qd1 instead, the game could have been salvageable -- or at least, he would not have been defeated as quickly. Here is one entertaining simulation; at move 55 good old Napoleon draws by perpetual check! 1. e4 e5 2. Qf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ne2 Bc5 5. a3 d6 6. O-O Bg4 7. Qd3 Nh5
8. h3 Bxe2 9. Qxe2 Nf4 10. Qe1 Nd4 11. Qd1 Qg5 12. Qg4 Qxg4 13. hxg4 b5
14. Bd3 h5 15. g5 h4 16. Nc3 h3 17. g3 Nf3+ 18. Kh1 Nxd3 19. cxd3 c6 20.
b4 Bd4 21. a4 bxa4 22. Rxa4 a6 23. b5 Bxc3 24. dxc3 cxb5 25. Rb4 Ke7 26.
Be3 Rhc8 27. c4 bxc4 28. dxc4 Ke6 29. Ra1 Rc6 30. Rc1 Rac8 31. Rc3 a5 32.
Ra4 Ra8 33. Bc1 Nd4 34. Kh2 Rb6 35. Ba3 Rb1 36. Kxh3 Rf1 37. f4 Rh1+ 38.
Kg4 Re1 39. c5 Rxe4 40. cxd6 exf4 41. gxf4 Rxf4+ 42. Kh3 Re4 43. Rd3 Rh8+
44. Kg2 Rhh4 45. d7 Reg4+ 46. Kf2 Rf4+ 47. Ke1 Kxd7 48. Bc5 Kc6 49. Bxd4
Kb5 50. Rda3 Rxd4 51. Rxa5+ Kb6 52. Ra7 Rh1+ 53. Ke2 Re4+ 54. Kd3 Rb4 55.
R3a6+ 1-2/1-2 |
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| Nov-26-08 |
| anandrulez: Proves a great leader need not be a great chess player . |
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| Jan-03-09 |
| WhiteRook48: Did Napoleon kill the Turk after this game? He doesn't like losing anyway |
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| Jan-24-09 |
| WhiteRook48: Napoleon should have resigned this game!!
Why did he try the Scholar's Mate on The Turk? |
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Jan-28-09
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| Whack8888: haha, if you ever get a chance read War and Peace by Tolstoy. It is a pretty fun book (though real long) and Tolstoy doesnt really miss any chance to bash Napolean. Napoleon was pretty funny -- the great "genius" in "charge". It goes to show you that when people want to do something, they will do it and if there is no leader that is actually capable, people will just create one. On a side note, it is similar to how Obama got elected, though of course, he is much better than Napoleon for a variety of reasons. Even so, the American people wanted someone who would represent change hope etc. and so we sort of created one. That is why Obama's campaign was so long. Of course though, there are a lot of different factors going on with Obama so the above is a pretty big simplification, but it is still more or less true. ;) |
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| Jan-28-09 |
| WhiteRook48: it'll take too long for me to Read "War and Peace" |
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| Jan-28-09 |
| Jim Bartle: Then watch the movie! It's only eight hours (the Russian version from the 70s). You had to go two days in a row, and there were intermissions each day. |
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| Jan-28-09 |
| Jim Bartle: "On a side note, it is similar to how Obama got elected, though of course, he is much better than Napoleon for a variety of reasons." I'll bet Obama campaigned in Waterloo (Iowa) as well. Maybe even Moscow, Idaho. |
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| Feb-12-09 |
| Trigonometrist: Just as <al wazir> said, the Turk could have finished the ceremonies earlier... As pointed out 14...Nf4+ gxf4 15.Qg4+ Kh1 Qh3# finishes easily. Furthermore the game ends in 19 moves if 17. .. Nf4+ 18.Kxf2 Qe2+ 19.Kg1 Qg2# had followed... |
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| Mar-25-09 |
| Garech: The Turk can't have been that good;
10. ... Qg5 is mate in seven! |
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Aug-09-09
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| David2009: I feel an immediate empathy with The Turk :) |
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Aug-16-09
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| vonKrolock: It seems that the best chances for authenticity are in side of this game (even if the place and date may still be object of discussion - how they were stablished?!...) Even so, it's surelly not very flattering to adorn an Emperor's biography. Allgaier (or eeryone else!) would write down the moves carefully, but keep it in secret at least until Waterloo... |
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