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Napoleon Bonaparte vs The Turk (Automaton)
"Napoleon Torn Apart" (game of the day Feb-09-08)
Schoenbrunn 1809  ·  King Pawn Game: Napoleon Attack (C20)  ·  0-1
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Mar-28-08  mistreaver: Imho this opening is so bad what is the point of such and early queen advance with 2 Qf3 except of instant threaths that can easily be parried
Jul-26-08  FizzyY: Napoleon Attack!

for such a great strategist
what a horrible opening strategy.

Nov-26-08  Pa3PyX: Opening is suboptimal... ultimately it was 11. Bb3 that was his doom, though. Had he played 11. Qd1 instead, the game could have been salvageable -- or at least, he would not have been defeated as quickly. Here is one entertaining simulation; at move 55 good old Napoleon draws by perpetual check!

1. e4 e5 2. Qf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ne2 Bc5 5. a3 d6 6. O-O Bg4 7. Qd3 Nh5 8. h3 Bxe2 9. Qxe2 Nf4 10. Qe1 Nd4 11. Qd1 Qg5 12. Qg4 Qxg4 13. hxg4 b5 14. Bd3 h5 15. g5 h4 16. Nc3 h3 17. g3 Nf3+ 18. Kh1 Nxd3 19. cxd3 c6 20. b4 Bd4 21. a4 bxa4 22. Rxa4 a6 23. b5 Bxc3 24. dxc3 cxb5 25. Rb4 Ke7 26. Be3 Rhc8 27. c4 bxc4 28. dxc4 Ke6 29. Ra1 Rc6 30. Rc1 Rac8 31. Rc3 a5 32. Ra4 Ra8 33. Bc1 Nd4 34. Kh2 Rb6 35. Ba3 Rb1 36. Kxh3 Rf1 37. f4 Rh1+ 38. Kg4 Re1 39. c5 Rxe4 40. cxd6 exf4 41. gxf4 Rxf4+ 42. Kh3 Re4 43. Rd3 Rh8+ 44. Kg2 Rhh4 45. d7 Reg4+ 46. Kf2 Rf4+ 47. Ke1 Kxd7 48. Bc5 Kc6 49. Bxd4 Kb5 50. Rda3 Rxd4 51. Rxa5+ Kb6 52. Ra7 Rh1+ 53. Ke2 Re4+ 54. Kd3 Rb4 55. R3a6+ 1-2/1-2

Nov-26-08  anandrulez: Proves a great leader need not be a great chess player .
Jan-03-09  WhiteRook48: Did Napoleon kill the Turk after this game? He doesn't like losing anyway
Jan-24-09  WhiteRook48: Napoleon should have resigned this game!!
Why did he try the Scholar's Mate on The Turk?
Jan-28-09  Whack8888: haha, if you ever get a chance read War and Peace by Tolstoy. It is a pretty fun book (though real long) and Tolstoy doesnt really miss any chance to bash Napolean.

Napoleon was pretty funny -- the great "genius" in "charge".

It goes to show you that when people want to do something, they will do it and if there is no leader that is actually capable, people will just create one.

On a side note, it is similar to how Obama got elected, though of course, he is much better than Napoleon for a variety of reasons. Even so, the American people wanted someone who would represent change hope etc. and so we sort of created one. That is why Obama's campaign was so long.

Of course though, there are a lot of different factors going on with Obama so the above is a pretty big simplification, but it is still more or less true. ;)

Jan-28-09  WhiteRook48: it'll take too long for me to Read "War and Peace"
Jan-28-09  Jim Bartle: Then watch the movie! It's only eight hours (the Russian version from the 70s). You had to go two days in a row, and there were intermissions each day.
Jan-28-09  Jim Bartle: "On a side note, it is similar to how Obama got elected, though of course, he is much better than Napoleon for a variety of reasons."

I'll bet Obama campaigned in Waterloo (Iowa) as well. Maybe even Moscow, Idaho.

Feb-12-09  Trigonometrist:

Just as <al wazir> said, the Turk could have finished the ceremonies earlier...

As pointed out 14...Nf4+ gxf4 15.Qg4+ Kh1 Qh3# finishes easily.

Furthermore the game ends in 19 moves if 17. .. Nf4+ 18.Kxf2 Qe2+ 19.Kg1 Qg2# had followed...

Mar-25-09
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  Garech: The Turk can't have been that good;

10. ... Qg5 is mate in seven!

Aug-09-09
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  David2009: I feel an immediate empathy with The Turk :)
Aug-16-09  vonKrolock: It seems that the best chances for authenticity are in side of this game (even if the place and date may still be object of discussion - how they were stablished?!...) Even so, it's surelly not very flattering to adorn an Emperor's biography. Allgaier (or eeryone else!) would write down the moves carefully, but keep it in secret at least until Waterloo...
Jan-11-10  rich187113: I much prefer the portugese opening to the napoleon attack. But I never really open with e4 I much prefer 1.d4.
Jan-11-10  ChessKnightsOfLondon: Yes, here we see the Turk not falling for Scholars mate as the Napoleon was expecting. Indeed after losing the queen Napoleon may have well resigned.
Mar-16-10  JohnstownChess: @ Riverbeast
Napoleon was not that short. The reason he was said to be 5"5 was because the French measured him when he died, and he was 5"5...in french feet...which are in fact longer then english feet measurement. It was not however translated when reported in England and America. In fact he was 5"9, which is average height today, and a bit above average in his time. Another reason many thought he was short was due to the fact that all of his guards where well over 6 feet tall. So when people saw him at public events, he looked shorter compared to the men around him. So I would say the Turk is shorter.
Mar-17-10  zanshin: Interesting .. I didn't realize Napoleon's height was so controversial:

http://europeanhistory.about.com/od...

Mar-17-10  M.D. Wilson: 5"9? I think not. Many scholars put him at about 5"3, if that. He was considered short, even in his time. But boy, did that little man pack a mean punch!
Mar-17-10  Blunderdome: Interesting that White realized 12. gxh3 was bad because of the knight fork, but then missed the same tactic on the next move. Maybe he didn't realize Black takes the queen with check, denying him time to play gxh4?
Mar-30-10  JohnstownChess: @ M.D. Wilson I was a bit off..they think his height was 5"6.5..which is still taller then the old estimate of 5"3...again..that is because they converted his height incorrectly. in fact, he was slightly taller then the average frenchmen of his day...feel free to look into it :)
May-05-10  renumeratedfrog: Beaten by a machine! Hah-hah!
Aug-16-10  Lil Swine: he used to conquer in chess as well as his empire except both ended with a waterloo
Aug-19-10  Lil Swine: so small a man yet so bold an opening, any player knows you don't bring out your queen as a second move
Aug-19-10  Lil Swine: its a relief he didnt try to conquer turkey as revenge
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