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|Jan-10-07|| ||Marco65: <Fisheremon> 9...Ke8 10.Qh5 Qf6 11.f4 exd4 12.f5 dxc3 13.bxc3! Nce5 I though 14.fxg6 attacking the queen was enough, but only now I see the complications after 14...Bg4! 15.Qxg4[15.Rxf6 Bxh5 16.Bf7+ Nxf7 17.gxf7 Bxf7 ] 15...Qxf1+ 16.Kxf1 Nxg4 17.Bf7+ Kd8 18.Bf4. The evaluation is unclear to me, White has two pieces for a rook but worse pawn structure.|
All very interesting, I wish I had an engine to check these variations.
Anderssen must have had his brain disconnected that day, but I guess Zukertort saw this and much more...
|Jan-10-07|| ||Fisheremon: <Marco65: <Fisheremon> 9...Ke8 10.Qh5 Qf6 11.f4 exd4 12.f5 dxc3 13.bxc3! Nce5 I though 14.fxg6 attacking the queen was enough, but only now I see the complications after 14...Bg4! 15.Qxg4[15.Rxf6 Bxh5 16.Bf7+ Nxf7 17.gxf7 Bxf7 ] 15...Qxf1+ 16.Kxf1 Nxg4 17.Bf7+ Kd8 18.Bf4. The evaluation is unclear to me, White has two pieces for a rook but worse pawn structure.> The best on 17th should be 17.Be6, since 17.Bf7+ Kd7. Also you might confuse: Black won the exchange (you might forget Bishop f8 ?!).|
|Jan-10-07|| ||Marco65: <Fisheremon> I prefer (after 9...Ke8 10.Qh5 Qf6 11.f4 exd4 12.f5 dxc3 13.bxc3?! Nce5 14.fxg6 Bg4 15.Qxg4 Qxf1+ 16.Kxf1 Nxg4) 17.Bf7+ Kd7 (you're right, better than Kd8) 18.Bf4 to exchange the knight if it goes to the strong e5 outpost. Rather than 17.Be6 Ne5 18.Bf5 when the bishop looks like a tall pawn.|
Useless discussion anyway, because you're right: <Black won the exchange>! After 9 moves made in my mind I'm getting to my (poor) limits
13.bxc3 deserves a ?! at this point.
|Jan-10-07|| ||Fisheremon: <Marco65: After 9 moves made in my mind I'm getting to my (poor) limits> Have my admiration to your memory anyway ! <13.bxc3 deserves a ?! at this point.> I'm intending to mark 8.Nxf7?! Ke7? and 10...Qe8?? for that our discussion !|
|Jan-10-07|| ||Marco65: <Fisheremon> Like me, it seems you like such analyses more than solving the puzzle itself!|
I would mark 8.Nxf7? because while our lines were complex 9...d5 10.Bxd5+ Ke7 11.Qh4 Be8 still seems a good and simple refutation of the sacrifice to me
|Jan-10-07|| ||Fisheremon: <Marco65: <Fisheremon> Like me, it seems you like such analyses more than solving the puzzle itself!> Yeah, actually I like a non-standard solution of the problem, then I try to enter so far to the game itself. Thanks anyway and let's have a see with other games !|
|Jan-10-07|| ||JYMMI: I saw Bg5+ hxg Qxg5|
|Jan-11-07|| ||dakgootje: Noted needs to be it's in the database aswell as Zukertort vs Anderssen, 1865|
|Mar-17-07|| ||venk98: awesome! i hav the same game in my chessmaster 10th edition....i always like zukertort's play..they 're full of sacrifices n sharp tactics!|
|May-20-07|| ||suenteus po 147: This game is the "correct" version according to Tartakower and Du Mont, in that it was played, once, in Breslau. The final moves, though, are 11.Bg5+ hxg5 12.Qxg5#|
|Sep-07-07|| ||Dilbertarian: Crafty sees 8.Nxf7? as weak, because of Kxf7. 9.Bc4+, Ke8! 10. Qh5, Qf6. 11. f4, exd4. 12. f5, dxc3. 13. Qxg6 (fxg6 ? cxb2!) Qxg6. 14. fxg6, cxb2 and Black is better off.|
So the gem is basically flawed!
|Nov-01-07|| ||Cibator: Purists would argue that you shouldn't sac more material than is strictly necessary - hence (11)Bg5+ is "more correct" than (11)Qg5+. But having the chance, who wouldn't give up the Q instead?!|
|Aug-28-08|| ||dwavechess: very true cibator. Zukertort concur with rybka 2.3.2 at 14 ply in 9/11|
|Aug-28-08|| ||Zonszein: Zukertot was not inferior to Steinitz. Unless it was just psychlogically|
|Sep-10-08|| ||dwavechess: For Rybka 3 w32 6/11 at 3 minutes per move, Rybka doesn't sees the possibilities of the knight or Anderssen had a better defense.|
|May-09-09|| ||tommy boy: GOTD please|
|Mar-19-10|| ||Antiochus: Chessgames.com
The same thing happened in this duplicate game Zukertort vs Anderssen, 1865
|Aug-13-10|| ||Antiochus: This famous game Steinitz vs G Neumann, 1870
is repeated here
Zukertort vs Anderssen, 1865 .
Two twins in the notable area.
|May-24-11|| ||Llawdogg: Wow! Holy Cow!|
|Jun-11-11|| ||Antiochus: Best version of the same game Zukertort vs Anderssen, 1865|
|Jun-21-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Guess-the-Move Final Score:
Zukertort vs Anderssen, 1865.
YOU ARE PLAYING THE ROLE OF ZUKERTORT.
Your score: 18 (par = 17)
|Aug-15-12|| ||Bezlitosci: Impressive that a player like Anderssen could make a blunder like 10...♕e8, allowing mate in two|
|Sep-17-12|| ||GrahamClayton: 7...h6? - 7...♗e7 is much better, forcing the White knight to retreat.|
|May-27-14|| ||naresb: After 9. Bc4 another alternative:--
10. Qh5; Qf6
10. Qf3; Qf6
Whether these alternatives hold good?
|Dec-04-14|| ||Ke2: <naresb> Definitely A. Follow up with 11. f4 and White has a strong attack, although comp says -.3|
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