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M Heinicke vs Seitz
West GER 1871  ·  Queen's Indian Defense: Classical. Traditional Variation Nimowitsch Line (E18)  ·  1-0
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Nov-09-04  podjevsky: 1871, This year Bismarck united the german states, and became emperor of Germany.
Nov-09-04  slapwa: Not Emperor - Chancellor.
Nov-09-04
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  cu8sfan: <slapwa> He was chancellor but emperor isn't that far off the mark. (-:
Nov-09-04  who: You could have started the problem one move earlier.
Nov-09-04  dac1990: Nicely done. I've frequenty used this pattern before; it's quite useful.
Nov-09-04
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  patzer2: The mainline 7...Ne5 as in D Fridman vs Korchnoi, 2004 avoids this trap and gives Black more counterplay.
Nov-09-04  pawntificator: who, it wouldn't work one move earlier because 11... Nxe5 was a blunder. 11....exd5 would have altered play significatntly. Maybe 12. f4 or something.
Nov-09-04
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  patzer2: <pawntificator> 11...exd5 12. Qxg4 and White wins.
Nov-09-04  Rama: Oops! I kept looking at 12 d6 Bxg2, 13 dxe7 g2xf1=Q+! and could not find the win for white, heh.
Nov-09-04
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  kevin86: <Rama> Are you promoting your bishop to a queen?

It looks like this is a week for double attacks-as a fork is usually done with one piece attacking two or more-this is two pieces attacking two pieces.

Nov-09-04  cobalt: isn't this resignation kind of early, the only difference in major pieces is a bishop.
Nov-09-04  aw1988: I vote for 12. d6.
Nov-09-04  aw1988: Nice! Two in a row.
Nov-09-04  gerpm: I agree with cobalt
Nov-09-04  shakespeare918: umm aww you probably dident get 2 in a row because you can look at the game before you comment on it?
Nov-09-04  Saruman: <aw1998> shakespeare thinks that you could have looked at the game first and then write the answer. I ask myself why would that be necessary!
Nov-09-04  Saruman: <aw1988> that was his question :-)
Nov-09-04  Flyboy216: Hmm, crafty tells me that 10...Ng4 was the blunder, and that then 11...Nxe5 *was* best. Anyone disagree?
Nov-09-04  EXIDE: Do we have record of games that many years back 1871. Anyone know which is the earliest recorded game?
Nov-09-04  iron maiden: <EXIDE>, this is the game that's supposed to be the oldest on record: Castellvi vs Vinyoles, 1490.
Nov-09-04  EXIDE: <iron maiden> Thanks! Game was not too simple either. White was aggressive. One more question? How did they record the game?i.e. what notation did they use.
Nov-09-04  iron maiden: <EXIDE> I am guessing they used descriptive, since apparently that was the only notation around at the time.
Nov-10-04  Saruman: <Flyboy216> 11.-Nxe5 was the best move considering the lousy alternatives. There is nothing to do against the threat of Qxg4 and d6.
Jun-16-05  aw1988: Right, this is probably 1971. "West Germany" Hmm.
Sep-08-12  Mr. President: This Seit'z taken.
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