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|May-17-16|| ||gofer: <Phony Benoni: Don't know about you, but I first looked at the capture 12.dxe6. Only when nothing significant appeared did I see the non-capture 12.d6.>|
Ditto for <dfcx>, <lost in space> and <gofer>... ...interesting!
|May-17-16|| ||morfishine: <12.d6> and Black has 2 pieces en prise; after 12...Bxg2 13.dxe7 Black still has 2 pieces en prise, but now one of these is his Queen; so, after 13...Qxe7 White goes a piece up after 14.Kxg2|
|May-17-16|| ||cocker: More of a Monday standard?|
|May-17-16|| ||holytramp: i think if i were playing white i'd celebrate this game by drinking a nice cold Heinicke.|
|May-17-16|| ||WorstPlayerEver: After this game he heinicked himself away.|
|May-17-16|| ||Oxspawn: Oxspawn: I played through in my head
12. d6 bxg2
13. dxe7 qxe7
Ö.and still did not see I was a piece up. If you canít even see when you are winning, it may be time to quit. If white and black both resign simultaneously is that half a point each or zero each?
|May-17-16|| ||ndg2: This game doesn't look exactly like having been played in the romantic era. In fact, if you follow the players, then you get to "Seitz" playing a certain Pierluigi Beggi in 1962: Seitz vs P Beggi, 1962. So I guess, the game date is in all probability 1971 and not 1871 played during the tenure of the "German Reich" ("West Germany" was not a term then).|
|May-17-16|| ||leRevenant: <gofer: <Phony Benoni: Don't know about you, but I first looked at the capture 12.dxe6. Only when nothing significant appeared did I see the non-capture 12.d6.>
Ditto for <dfcx>, <lost in space> and <gofer>... ...interesting!>
More or less ditto for <le Revenant> aussi.|
|May-17-16|| ||Chess Dad: I don't know why I got this easily today.
I just didn't know if there was something better than winning one of two bishops.
I couldn't see anything promising, but that's always the case later on in the week, and for too many Tuesdays lately.
|May-17-16|| ||whiteshark: <ndg2: So I guess, the game date is in all probability 1971 and not 1871 played during the tenure of the "German Reich" ("West Germany" was not a term then).> Neither.|
CB Megabase has the game as follows:
[Event "GER-ch tt qual"]
[Site "Bad Salzuflen"]
[White "Heinicke, Herbert"]
[Black "Seitz, Philipp Adolf"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 b6 3. c4 Bb7 4. g3 e6 5. Bg2 Be7 6. O-O O-O 7. Nc3 d5 8. Ne5
Nbd7 9. Qa4 Nxe5 10. dxe5 Ng4 11. cxd5 Nxe5 12. d6 1-0
|May-17-16|| ||Herma48852: Two bishops for one:
12. d6 Bxg2 13. dxe7 Qxe7 14. Kxg2
|May-17-16|| ||schachfuchs: hm, got that very quickly not wasting a second to any other move - I only hesitate in the end as I thought this was TOO easy, even for a tuesday...
I still think this is not really a puzzle but the previous 10...Ng4 was a 'grober Patzer' = blunder. This point of view is also confirmed by black's instant capitulation?!|
|May-17-16|| ||YouRang: That was embarrassing.
I saw the whole idea right away:
12.d6 <discovered attack on Bb7> Bxg2 <avoid Bxb7>
13.dxe7 <win pawn and fork Q+R> Qxe7 <kill fork>
14.Kxg2 <recapture bishop>
The embarrassing part is that I made a basic counting blunder, thus failed to notice that this maneuver won a piece and was in fact the solution... :-(
On the bright side, if I had this position OTB, I probably would have played 12.d6 thinking that I'd gain a pawn, and then later be pleasantly surprised to find myself up piece, wondering "how did I do that?".
|May-17-16|| ||kevin86: White attacks both bishops!|
|May-17-16|| ||AvidChessMan: I liked 12.d6 right from the start, due to the double threat. The other possible moves are not as sharp. I was surprised by black's quick resignation though.|
|May-17-16|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi Phony Benoni,
"I first looked at the capture 12.dxe6. Only when nothing significant appeared did I see the non-capture 12.d6."
Me as well. Solvers habit. Checks and captures first. If not happy then look again. Here there was no need to look much deeper past 12.dxe6 (the move Black was obviously expecting) there is nothing in 17.exf7+.
|May-17-16|| ||WorstPlayerEver: @whiteshark
CG should take a look at this:
|May-17-16|| ||WorstPlayerEver: Got a match: 'Adolf Seitz'.
|May-17-16|| ||WorstPlayerEver: This is interesting. Since Seitz was a jew could it be possible the nazis erased the chess history of the jews concerning German tournaments? If they were not that known abroad. I'd like to point out that Heineken is a jew and Heinicke probably is the German version of Heineken. |
I found this about Bad Salzuflen 1934, coincedence? Don't think so.
|May-17-16|| ||Marmot PFL: Common opening trap|
|May-17-16|| ||Cheapo by the Dozen: I found it easy. Since there was nothing that resembled a mate threat, it was time to look for material gain, and d6 was the obvious try. |
It would be cool if there were a puzzle one move earlier, but White's move would be a reasonable choice even if it didn't happen to win a piece. So the puzzle indeed started at the right place.
|May-17-16|| ||thegoodanarchist: Heinicke played some good chess.
Now he's dead.
|May-17-16|| ||eternaloptimist: <YouRang> 😃 Lol u r definitely 1 of the funniest kibitzers on CG!|
|May-17-16|| ||perfidious: The instance(s) of this tactic I recall at international level in the 1970s arose from the Catalan, but the result is no different: Black is out a piece however he plays after d6.|
|May-17-16|| ||CHESSTTCAMPS: In this early middlegame position, material is even, but black has left an unprotected bishop along a long diagonal of opposing fianchettoed bishops. White can win a piece by a tempo-gaining discovered attack:|
12.d6! Bxg2 (Bxd6 13.Bxb7 wins at least a piece for a pawn) 13.dxe7 Qxe7 14.Kxg2 wins a piece for a pawn and might provoke immediate resignation.
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