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William Henry Krause Pollock vs E Hall
"Juvenile Hall" (game of the day May-08-2016)
ENG (1890)
Three Knights Opening: General (C46)  ·  1-0


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Dec-12-07  UdayanOwen: There is some confusion in the interchange between SAINTAMANT and porgue. SAINTAMANT posed the question, "did I miss something?" after giving the line 9.Nxf6+ gxf6 10.Ng5 BxQ 11.Bxf7+ Kf8 12.Bh6#. Porgue's response was that black can just play 10...fxg5, 11.Qxg4, retaining material equality.

This is true, but more to the point, you can happily snatch the queen after 9.Nxf6 gxf6 10.Ng5 BxQ, because 11.Bxf7+ Kf8, and now the knight on g5 blocks the bishop's access to h6. White can then win the queen back, but after 12.Ne6+ Kf7 13.NxQ R(a)xN 14.RxB, black is up a piece for a pawn.

Even better for black after 9.Nxf6 gxf6 10.Ng5 BxQ 11.Bf7 is 11...Kd7, when the best white can do is pick up a rook for the sacrificed queen, eg, 12.Bd6+ Kc6 13.Bd5+ Kb6 14.Nf7 Qd7 15.Nxh8 Rxh8 16.Rxd1 a5 (preventing the loss of the bishop by 17.b4). White has no pieces to trouble the exposed black king.

Dec-12-07  UdayanOwen: To Ercan and dzechiel: yes, chess is a @#$%ing spectacular, magical game!!!!!!!!!
Dec-12-07  UdayanOwen: Sorry to swear but chess excites me into such over the top emotive expression.
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  Jim Bartle: That's OK, they wouldn't have understood that word in 1890.
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  whiteshark: <@#$%ing> I even dont understand it today!
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  Jim Bartle: You live a very sheltered life.
Dec-12-07  zb2cr: Wow. This is a simple-minded game, with, as multiple people have pointed out, 2 very significant blunders on Black's part. Nonetheless, it managed to generate 4 pages of posts. We <> users seem to be a passionate, not to say argumentative, bunch!
Dec-12-07  InspiredByMorphy: A worthy consideration for a defensive resource of blacks is 9. ...Nexd5 Black could respond with 9. ...Nexd5 10.Nxg4 Nb6

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Dec-12-07  MostlyAverageJoe: < InspiredByMorphy: A worthy consideration for a defensive resource of blacks is 9. ...Nexd5 Black could respond with 9. ...Nexd5 10.Nxg4 Nb6>

A better move than 10.Nxg4 is 10. Qxg4 with this likely continuation:

10. ... dxe5 11. Qxg7 Rg8 12. Qxe5 Bd6 13. Qh5

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now black N is pinned by the threat on f7 and white should have no problems winning after taking it.

Dec-13-07  NateDawg: I checked with Fritz, just to clarify some things. It turns out that 9. ♘xf6+ is about as good as the move played in the game, so those of you who said that should get full credit.

After 9. ♘xe5! ♗xd1? 10. ♘xf6+ Black is already lost. 10...♔f8 does not lead to forced mate, but loses to 11. ♘ed7+! ♕xd7 (Black's only legal move) 12. ♘xd7+ ♔e8 13. ♘xc5, when White is up a piece and a pawn.

So what about other defenses? Black's two best tries are 9...♘exd5 and 9...dxe5. After 9...♘exd5 10. ♘xg4 ♘b6 11. ♗b3, Fritz evaluates the position as (2.48); White is up a pawn, has the bishop pair, and has a more comfortable position.

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After 9...dxe5 10. ♘xf6+ gxf6 11. ♕xg4 White again has a much better position, with an extra pawn and the bishop pair; (2.80).

And finally, 9. ♘xf6+ gxf6 10. ♘xe5! fxe5 11. ♕xg4 is best play for both sides; (2.69)

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So in conclusion, this may not be the best puzzle, since with best play by Black, all White has is an extra pawn and bishop. However, it still wins a pawn by exploiting a common theme (, and gives White a superior position.

Dec-13-07  NateDawg: <MostlyAverageJoe> You're looking at 9...♘fxd5 when 10. ♕xg4 is fine; in the variation InspiredByMorphy is looking at, White cannot play that because it loses the queen.
Dec-13-07  MostlyAverageJoe: <NateDawg: <MostlyAverageJoe> You're looking at 9...fxd5>

OOPS, indeed, my mistake. Never mind my previous comment, then.

Incidentally, 9. Nxf6+ and 9. Nxe5 are completely equivalent (with best defense by black). See the first page of comments.

<After 9...Nexd5 10. Nxg4 Nb6 11. Bb3, Fritz evaluates the position as (2.48)> Try 11.b4 - somewhat better for white (according to Hiarcs). Or 11.Bg5. I'd be surprised if Fritz evaluated them as worse than Bb3.

<with best play by Black, all White has is an extra pawn and bishop> Nope, just a pawn in material. And much better position, of course.

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  patzer2: For yesterday's puzzle solution, White breaks the pin with the discovered attack 9. Nxe5! -- offering the Queen as a pseudo sacrifice for a winning minor piece attack.

This is somewhat akin to legal's mate, except that in this case best play yields decisive material (e.g. 10...Kf8 11. N(f)d7+ ) and not a quick mate.

Oct-16-10  sevenseaman: <Udit Narayan: WOW. I couldn't have found 9.Nxe5!!! in a million years...> When the opponent offers the Q many players tend to think it was due to an oversight.
May-08-16  Steve.Patzer: I was going to suggest 10....Kf8 but I found that has already been addressed.
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  offramp: A game notable only for White's third name.
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  thegoodanarchist: <offramp: A game notable only for White's third name.>

Pollock was no fish.

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  MKD: What would be the best line for White if Black plays 6..Ne4?
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  morfishine: The Chess School of Pollock!


May-08-16  KID Slayer: Was expecting to see a longer and more in-depth game for Mother's Day than this. Maybe one with a play on words, with a queen being referred to as a "mother" for a pun, or something similar to that.
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  Phony Benoni: <KID Slyer> I think the idea was that by spending less time on the GOTD we could spend more time with Mom. Unless, of course, your mother is Judit Polgar.

Seriously, though, I don't think this type of game is especially apt for GOTD. As a puzzle, it's fine. But I prefer that the GOTD, as you say, be a game of some depth and complexity, or at the very least offer us something to discuss.

That's why we're here, isn't it? We'lre certainly not lexicographer judging puns.

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  catlover: <MKD> I would imagine the best line is something like 7. NxB. Doesn't look like a good line for black.
May-08-16  AlicesKnight: Somebody playing Black had never heard of the Sea-Cadet - this is something of a variation on that theme.
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  perfidious: Had never hard of the Sea-Cadet till now, but was going to post a famous example of this theme from Tarrasch vs Chigorin, 1893, till I read some old posts and noticed someone had beaten me to the punch.
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  kevin86: White wins on a variation of the legal mate with two bishops.
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