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Josef Emil Krejcik vs Robert Muenz
Vienna (1911), Vienna AUH, May-07
King Pawn Game: Damiano Defense. Damiano Gambit Chigorin Gambit (C20)  ·  1-0
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Jun-01-11  Jamboree: I WAS gonna say that 11. Ng1 does not actually win the queen, but rather just wins a piece: Black can reply 11. ... Bc2, after which it's either 12. Bxg4 Bxd1 13. Rxd1, or instead 12. Qxc2 and black can retreat to any number of now-safe white squares.

That was until I saw white's amazing counter 11. ...Bc2 12. Bb5+!, and he wins the black queen in yet another way totally different from the ones mentioned in kibitzing above -- he moves the bishop (which itself had been attacking the queen) out of the way with tempo to give a discovered attack from his own queen, which needs to escape from black's bishop! 12. ... c6 13. Qxg4!

This line may be the first time I've ever seen that particular unusual tactic -- move a bishop out of the way to allow a discovered attack along the diagonal!

This last line is the final piece in the proof that Ng1 is indeed crushing, and better than the alternatives.

Jun-01-11  M.Hassan: Medium/Easy" White to play 11.?
Materials are even.
It's early in the game and line of retreat of Black Queen is partly blocked and White does not waste time to attack the Queen:

11.Ng1 Qxg2
<if...Qh4 12.g3 Bxg3 13.fxg3 and Queen is lost next move>

12.Bf3
Queen has two options:
12...........Qxh1
13.Bxh1 and Queen is lost
OR

12...........Qg6
13.Bh5 and Black Queen is pinned and is lost.
So, black Queen will be lost anyways and White wins.
Time to check

Jun-01-11  SamAtoms1980: Well, I just committed one of the worst self-ownages ever.

This is a game from <MY OWN COLLECTION> based on a chess book that I HAVE OWNED for almost 20 years and I picked a wrong move, 11.Nd4.

<<<*******FACEPALM*******>>>

Jun-01-11  Catfriend: Went for Ng5 and proud :) As demonstrated above by <patzer2>, 11.Ng5! is the best move in the position. After 11. Ng1, Black's choice might as well be 11..Qxg2 12. Bf3 Qxh1 13. Bxh1 and since an attacked knight on g5 and one stuck on g1 both move next to f3, we reach a branch of the Nf5 solution.
Jun-01-11  starkidaway: I analyzed 11.Ng5 and I'm not sure if it's as good as in the game. Ex:

A) 1.Ng5 Qxg2
2.Bf3 Bg4
3.BxQ BxQ
4.RxB and white is up a piece since black can't play 4....PxN 5.Bxb7 and white wins a rook.

Or B) 11.Ng5 Qh4
12.g3 BxP (
13.fXB Qh6
14.Ne6 QxB
15.Nxc7+ Kf8
16.Nc4 and white is up a rook

Jun-01-11
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  Once: Every chess club has its share of characters. And for us, it was Tomasz.

This guy was really old. We're not just talking a pensioner, he was positively prehistoric. White eyebrows like tumbleweed and a face that was as lined and pitted as driftwood. He always wore a crusty tweed suit even on the hottest day of summer. None too clean in the trouser department if you know what I mean.

And those eyes. Once upon a time they must have been deep blue, but now they were washed-out and rheumy. He peered out at the world from thick round glasses. And no matter how much he polished his glasses on a green-grubby handkerchief, they never got clean.

The rumour was that he had once been a strong player. He'd played some of the greats too. They even said that he had once played Alekhine in a simul and lasted for all of 27 moves. Back in the days when everything was black and white. I'd have loved to have seen that.

He loved the game. Never missed a club night. He was always one of the first to get there and set up his board in the far corner. Must have been doing that for forty years or more. And every time someone would walk in, he would say the same thing: "Vould you like game?"

It was funny. He'd lived here all his life, but couldn't quite lose his Polish accent.

I played him many times. But there was this one game ...

I was white with this position:


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So I'm clearly winning, right? The black queen is gonna get caught. It's just a matter of how to do it. Plenty of time on the clock so I knuckle down to work out the knight moves.

The funny thing is, just about every knight move seems to win. 11. Nd4, 11. Ng5 - heck, even 11. Ne5 seems to do it. If he plays Qxg2 I've got Bf3, protecting my rook and hitting his on a8.

As I am sitting there working it all out, Tomasz is quietly laughing to himself. So I'm thinking he's a senile old fool, maybe trying to put me off, so I block out the sound and focus, focus on my move.

That's it, I've decided. I reach out and play 11. Ng5. Stop the clock, write the move down.

Tomasz smiles at me. "Zat is good move," he says with a chuckle. "Vinning move. But iz not pretty move. Zis, zis is move you must play."

And he picks up my knight on g5 and places it gently down on g1. "Zat iz pretty move. Zat is move you write down. And zat is game. Vell played."

He laid his king on its side and offered me his hand to shake.

It was the last time I played him. Not long afterwards he tripped in the street, broke his hip and never really recovered.

But I still remember him. Not so much what he looked like or what he wore. Instead I remember him for the moves that he played. And most of all I remember him in positions like this one. When you get a chance to play a move like 11. Ng1 I can still hear Tomasz gently say "Zat is pretty move."

Jun-01-11  Catfriend: < starkidaway: I analyzed 11.Ng5 and I'm not sure if it's as good as in the game. Ex:

A) 1.Ng5 Qxg2
2.Bf3 Bg4
3.BxQ BxQ
4.RxB and white is up a piece since black can't play 4....PxN 5.Bxb7 and white wins a rook.

Or B) 11.Ng5 Qh4
12.g3 BxP (
13.fXB Qh6
14.Ne6 QxB
15.Nxc7+ Kf8
16.Nc4 and white is up a rook>

A rook is actually more than a queen for a rook and a pawn, which is "all" Ng1 gets you. :) A good healthy piece is quite equal to that.

Don't forget that in line A, after 4..Nbc6 5. Nge4, Bd6 is exchanged, leaving yet another weakness.

<Once> Pretty moves are good :) However, I fail to see why 11. Ng1 Qxg2 12. Bf3 is <prettier> (forget stronger) than 11. Ng5 Qxg2 12. Bf3

Jun-01-11  sevenseaman: Rules experts; a doubt has sprung. Supposing White plays a pawn two places up. Black has the choice to take it e.p.

But taking it e. p. is the only move available, else he gets a stalemate draw.

Does Black, who would lose if he captured e.p., have a choice to refuse the capture to get a draw gratis?

Has White been daft in moving two places rather than one?

Jun-01-11
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  agb2002: The material is even.

Black is probably considering a retreat with the LSB to d7 because the queen has very few available squares.

This suggests 11.Ng5:

A) 11... Qxg2 12.Bf3

A.1) 12... Qxh1+ 13.Bxh1 Nbc6 (13... fxg5 14.Bxb7) 14.Nge4 + - [Q vs R+P].

A.2) 12... Qxg5 13.Bxg5 Nbc6 (13... fxg5 14.Bxb7) 14.Be3 + - [Q vs B+N+P].

B) 11... Qh4 12.g3 Qh6 13.Nf7 Qh3 14.Nxh8 + - [R vs N].

The alternative 11.h3 seems to fail after 11... Qxg2 (12.Nh4 Qd5; 12.Rh2 Bxh2).

And 11.Ne5 does not cover h3 as 11.Ng5 does: 11... Qh4 12.g3 (12.Ndf3 Qe4) 12... Qh3.

Jun-01-11  VincentL: "Medium/Easy".

Barely out of the opening here. Just glancing at the position, my first thought is that this must be a queen trap.

Letīs see. I think 11. Ne5 ! is the move we want. This cuts off the g6 retreat square.

(a) 11.....Qxg2 12.Bf3. Now best for black is 12....Qxh1 13. Bxh1 Nbc6 (to stop Bxb7) and white can retreat the N on e5, leaving a material advantage of Q for R + P.

If 12....Qh3 13. Bxb7 and black loses the rook on a8.

(b) 11.....Qh4 12. g3 Qh3 13 Bf1 and black will lose Q for two minor pieces after 13,,,,Qxf1 14.īNxf1 Bxe5.

This must be it. Letīs check.

Jun-01-11
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  gofer: This looks like a queen trap. If Nf3 moves the queen cannot exit along the 4th rank. So must exit via g6 and f7 or try to hide on h4. So moving Nf3 seems the best option, but where to move it? I looked at Ne5 first, then Ng5 and then Nh4 and then back to Ng5. Err not so Easy! Perhaps the queen trap isn't on offer and all we can get is material?

<11 Ng5 Qh4>

11 ... Qxg2 12 Bf3

<12 g3 Bxg3>

13 Nf3 gxf2+ 14 Bxf2 winning
13 fxg3 Qh6 14 Ne6! Qxe3 15 Nxc7+! winning

Time to check...
===
Ahh! The other knight move... ...bug+er!

Jun-01-11  cocker: The opening may be naive, but 11 ♘g1 is a cunning move by any standards. I got the idea of trapping the queen and considered 11 ♘e5 and 11♘d4 (both reasonable) but didn't have the imagination to find the text move.
Jun-01-11
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  agb2002: 11.Ng1 didn't even occur to me. The double irony is that I started my post mentioning a retreat and that Ng1 and Ng5 are symmetric with respect the third rank...
Jun-01-11  Dr. J: Seven years ago the debate raged as to which was better - 11 Ng1 or 11 Ng5, without a clear conclusion. Here's what seems to be best play:

<11 Ng1 Qxg2 12 Bf3 Bh3!> Now if 13 Bxg2 Bxg2 14 f3 Bxh8 Black has Rook, Bishop, and Pawn for the Queen, but his Bishop is trapped and probably lost. But better seems <13 Qa4+ Nc6 14 Qh4> winning the Bishop for a Pawn.

However ...Bh3 does not work in the Ng5 line, because the h1 Rook will not be trapped. So Black has nothing better than <11 Ng5 Qxg5 12 Bxg5 fxg5>, and White is up a Queen for two pieces and no pawns. (But not 11 Ng5 Qxg2 12 Bf3 Bg4 13 Bxg2 Bxd1 14 Bxb7 coming out a rook ahead.)

Therefore 11 Ng5 seems best.

Jun-01-11  old coot: First, let me admit that I saw neither Ng5 or Ng1. Which is best may depend on the level of the players. If both are just mid-level club players, Ng1 is probably best because your opponent may be so surprised by it that he will resign immediately, thus leaving you in no danger of an error in analysis or a fingerfehler. Against GM level, this will obviously not work.
Jun-01-11
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  Phony Benoni: <sevenseaman> Can't quote chapter and verse, but if an <en passant> capture is the only legal move it must be playerd. There is no longer an option, except to resign.
Jun-01-11
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  CHESSTTCAMPS: In this opening position, material is even, but because of black's early, ill-advised queen sortie, white has a big lead in useful development. This is clearly one of those positions where we can play to trap a vulnerable queen, a theme that you see frequently on Chess Tactics Server. Trapping the queen requires controlling the escape square g6, suggesting either Ne5 or Ng5.

11.Ng5! is better, because it also controls h3:

A) 11... Qxg2 12.Bf3 wins Q for a minor piece (with Ne5, black has Qh3).

B) 11... Qh4 12.Ndf3 (12.g3 Qh6 13.Nf7 Qh3 14.Nxh8 is also winning) Qh6 13.Nf7 Qh5 14.Nxh8 with a rook lead and the double threat of Qb3 and Ne5.

B.1) 12... Qh6 13.Ne5 Qh6 (Qxe2 14.Qxe2 Bxe5 15.Qb5+) 14.Nef7 Qh4 15.g3 wins the Q.

Time for review...

Jun-01-11
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  CHESSTTCAMPS: The fact that the Be2 prevents Qg6 apparently escaped me. As with the earlier positions this week, there are multiple ways to win.
Jun-01-11  Nilsson: Answer to DR.J 12...Bh3 13.Nxh3 Qxh3
14.Bb7 game over.
/JN
Jun-01-11  sevenseaman: <if an <en passant> capture is the only legal move it must be playerd. There is no longer an option, except to resign.>

Thanks <Phony Benoni> Thats how it looked to me.

The position occurred in a puzzle. Not only was the e.p. capture the only legal move it was the last as well. The capture resulted in self-mate.

I said, 'What a foolish thing to do, he could have refused.' That he didn't must have been as per the rules.

Jun-01-11  Patriot: I chose 11.Ng5 with similar lines as <agb2002>. As he said, Ng1 did not occur to me. The only place I disagree is <The alternative 11.h3 seems to fail after 11... Qxg2 (12.Nh4 Qd5; 12.Rh2 Bxh2).> since 11.h3 Qxg2 12.Nh4 Qxh1+.
Jun-01-11
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  DarthStapler: I picked Ng5 Qh4 (Qxg2 Bf3) g3 Qh6 Nf7
Jun-01-11  Patriot: I wondered what was wrong with 4.Qh5 -a very common idea. But black turns the tables: 4...g6 5.Nxg6 Qxe4+ 6.Be2 Qxg6 (6.Qe2 Qxe2+ 7.Bxe2 hxg6 ). This would be an easy trap to fall into!
Jun-01-11
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  beenthere240: Great illustration of both the short- and long-term putridity of the 2...f6 (Damiano?) defense.
Jun-01-11
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  agb2002: <Patriot: I chose 11.Ng5 with similar lines as <agb2002>. As he said, Ng1 did not occur to me. The only place I disagree is <The alternative 11.h3 seems to fail after 11... Qxg2 (12.Nh4 Qd5; 12.Rh2 Bxh2).> since 11.h3 Qxg2 12.Nh4 Qxh1+.>

You're right. It seems that the variations with the bishop on f3 persisted longer than they should.

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