|May-05-03|| ||kohutiar: beautiful... |
|May-06-03|| ||ksadler: I believe I've been on the black side of a few games like this :) But a game that shows why *not* to play 5. .. dxe5. |
|May-06-03|| ||Cyphelium: I don't now the theory of this, but couldn't black get away with something like 8.- e6 instead of the suicidal 8.- Qxd4? Ok, white is better, but is it serious? |
|May-29-03|| ||ksadler: <Cyphelium> The problem with 8. .. e6 is 9. Qf3! which threatens mate, as well as the b7 pawn (which probably shouldn't be taken anyway). A line could be 9. Qf3 f6 10. Qh5+ Ke7 11. Qf7+ Kd6 and I'm sure there's a mate (or at least a large advantage for White) to follow, but I can't immediately see it. Let me stress again...Black must be *extremely* careful in Alekhine's Defense and has to castle before he can get sneaky. |
|May-30-03|| ||drukenknight: 8...e6 or g6 is perfectly logical. Look at blacks development he has elected to move pieces out from each side of the board instead of using 2 kingside or 2 q side pieces. He has got to get the B out there.|
8....e6 9 Qf3 Qf6 blacks Q is backed by a N and so is whites. SO white castles, then black moves the B. should be okay.
|May-30-03|| ||Cyphelium: ksadler> 9. Qf3 f6?? is certainly losing, as you prove. (An easy way to win is 11. Ng6+ instead of 11. Qf7+, though of course the queen check must win as well.) It must be better to sac the b7-pawn instead, and yes for once I agree with drukenknight: 9.- Qf6 10. Qxb7 Bd6 and black is a pawn down but has some compensation for it. Maybe it isn't quite enough, and white may still be better, but again: is it serious? =)|
White can try to chase away the knight on b6, but right now I don't see any way to win. 11. a4 Bxe5 12. dxe5 Qxe5 13. a5 Qd5 is nothing special.
As you note, pawn b7 doesn't have to be taken and white can play, say, 10. Qg3 instead. 10.-Be7 is ugly and white looks a little better here as well. But it may playable.
>Let me stress again...Black must be *extremely* careful in Alekhine's Defense and has to castle before he can get sneaky.
As I've been playing the Alekhine for years now, I can recognise the truth of that statement! Often one has to be happy if one is just 'slightly worse' after the opening.
|May-30-03|| ||ksadler: <Cyphelium> All I'm saying is that I'd rather be White than Black after 9. Qf3 Qf6 10. Qxb7 Bd6 11. a4 Bxe5 12. dxe5 Qxe5 13. a5 Qd5 14. Qxc7! (I think you just ended your analysis one move too short) where White's material advantage must force a win. |
|May-31-03|| ||Cyphelium: Ok, point taken. So instead of 11.-Bxe5, 11. -a5. |
|May-31-03|| ||ksadler: 11. .. a5 12. Nc4! (because if 12. .. Nxc4 13. Qxa8+) 12. .. N8d7 13. Nxb6 Nxb6 14. Qc6+ where White now is up a pawn and Black is unable to castle. |
|Jun-02-03|| ||Cyphelium: Yah, ok. The king is not too bad on e7, but being a pawn down as well... I fail to see that compensation I raved about earlier. So I rest my case, black is in trouble. |
|Jun-02-03|| ||drukenknight: I got confused here. cyph suggested 8...e3 but 7...e3 is what I thought he said. |
7...e3 then what 8 00?
|Jun-02-03|| ||ksadler: The threat is if 7. .. e6 (I think that's what you meant) followed by 8. Qb5+ winning the b7 pawn. This line isn't as bad as the ones previously mentioned because if White takes the b7 pawn Black will gain tempo. |
|Jun-03-03|| ||drukenknight: ks: maybe it's a poison pawn line: 7...e6 8 Qb5+ Nc6 9 Qxb7 Nb4 10 Qb5+ c6 |
|Jun-03-03|| ||Cyphelium: ksadler>This line isn't as bad as the ones previously mentioned because if White takes the b7 pawn Black will gain tempo. |
7.- e6 8. Qb5+ Nd7 and now white can chose between 9. Nxd7 Qxd7 10. Qxb7 when white is just a pawn up and I don't see any tempo gain or perhaps 9.Qxb7 when the tempo gain 9.- Rb8(I guess this was what you meant?) just loses a second pawn to 10. Qxa7. Ok, now there will be some tempo gaining: 10.- Nxe5 11. dxe5 Bc5, but after 12. Qa4+ Kf8, I don't see the compensation for two pawns. Right now it looks just as bad as my feeble attempts above.
drukenknight> In your line, 8.- Nc6 can be answered with 9. Nxc6.
|Jun-03-03|| ||drukenknight: CYph, okay 8...Nc6 9 Nxc6 bxc6 your turn. |
|Jun-03-03|| ||Cyphelium: drukenknight> Yes, 10. Qxc6+ and since you can't play 10.- Qd7 because the rook on a8 is hanging, you have to play 10.- Ke7, and now we'll reach a position where black is a pawn down and has his king stuck in the centre with no compensation. So, black is losing. |
|Jun-03-03|| ||drukenknight: yeah that line doesnt seem to work. start over w/: 7...Na6|
I gotta feeling on this one Cyph.
|Jun-04-03|| ||Cyphelium: 7.- Na6 and now again the Qf3 move is strong: 8. Qf3 Nf6 (8.-f6 loses to 9. Qh5+ g6 10. Nxg6 hxg6 11. Qxh8)9. Qxb7 and now your knight is pretty awkward on a6. You cannot move your queen to protect it, since the the rook on a8 is hanging. 9.- Qc8 10. Qc6+ and now 10.-Kd8 11. Nxf7+ or 10.- Nd7 11. Nxd7 Nb4 (11.- Qxd7 12. Qxa8+) 12. Nf6++ Kd8 13. Qe8 mate. |
|Dec-11-11|| ||caballonegro57: Insperadamente, preciosa.|