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Gioachino Greco vs NN
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King's Gambit: Falkbeer Countergambit. Accepted (C31)  ·  1-0


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Jan-31-05  Jaymthegenius: Greco would be so easy for a begginner to defeat! Just play 1.e4,e5 2.f4,d5! 3.exd5,e4 and you have it made in the shade!
Jan-31-05  Leviathan: <Jaymthegenius: Greco would be so easy for a begginner to defeat! Just play 1.e4,e5 2.f4,d5! 3.exd5,e4 and you have it made in the shade!>

well,<1.e4,e5 2.f4,d5! 3.exd5,e4> is just the standard way to play the Falkbeer - black has no clear path to victory (just look at the stats: the position after 3. .. e4 doesn't seem a win for black at all - Opening Explorer )

Feb-05-05  Jaymthegenius: Here is a game I've played as white with the Falkbeer.

Event "Chess21"]
[Site ""]
[Date "05-feb-2005 1:23:14"]
[White "jaymthegenius"]
[Black "manuelcha"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2278"]
[BlackElo "2219"]
[TimeControl "10/0"]

1. e2-e4 e7-e5 2. f2-f4 d7-d5 3. e4xd5 e5-e4 4. d2-d3 Ng8-f6 5. d3xe4 Nf6xe4 6. Bc1-e3 Bf8-d6 7. Ng1-f3 0-0 8. Bf1-d3 Rf8-e8 9. 0-0 Bc8-g4 10. Qd1-e1 Nb8-d7 11. Bd3xe4 Re8xe4 12. Nb1-c3 Re4-e8 13. Qe1-g3 Re8xe3 14. Qg3xg4 Nd7-f6 15. Qg4-f5 Bd6-b4 16. Ra1-e1 Re3xe1 17. Rf1xe1 Bb4xc3 18. b2xc3 Qd8xd5 19. Qf5-e5 h7-h6 20. Qe5xc7 Nf6-e4 21. c3-c4 Qd5-c5 22. Qc7xc5 Ne4xc5 23. Re1-e5 b7-b6 24. g2-g3 Ra8-c8 25. Re5-e7 a7-a6 26. Nf3-e5 f7-f6 27. Ne5-d3 Nc5-a4 28. Re7-e4 Na4-c3 29. Re4-e6 Nc3xa2 30. Re6xb6 Rc8xc4 31. Rb6xa6 Rc4xc2 32. Ra6-a8 Kg8-f7 33. Ra8-a7 Kf7-g6 34. f4-f5 Kg6xf5 35. Ra7xg7 Na2-c3 36. Rg7-h7 Kf5-g6 37. Rh7-h8 Nc3-d5 38. Rh8-d8 Nd5-e3 39. Rd8-e8 Ne3-g4 40. h2-h3 Ng4-h2 41. Nd3-f4 Kg6-f5 42. Re8-e3 Kf5-g5 43. Nf4-g2 Nh2-g4 44. h3xg4 Kg5xg4 45. Re3-d3 Rc2-a2 46. Kg1-h2 h6-h5 47. Rd3-d4 Kg4-g5 48. Kh2-h3 Ra2-a1 49. Rd4-d5 f6-f5 50. Ng2-h4 Ra1-h1 51. Kh3-g2 Rh1-a1 52. Rd5-d6 Ra1-a2 53. Kg2-h3 1-0

Feb-05-05  hintza: <Jaymthegenius> The Falkbeer often leads to an interesting game. 19...h6? was an error. 19...Qxe5 20.fxe5 Nd5 21.c4 Nc3 22.a3 is one significant improvement. Also, Black has a sound position after 20...Re8 21.Rxe8+ Nxe8 22.Qe5 Qd1+ 23.Ne1 Nf6, which is probably a draw. Black also has good drawing chances much later by liberating the suicidal knight: 40...Rd2 41.Nf4+ Kf7 etc.
Feb-07-05  Jaymthegenius: damn it! I've never even thought of that! I'll keep that in mind for the next time I go against the falkbeer.
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  InspiredByMorphy: There was nothing more fortunate for Greco than how many times his opponents would play ...Bc5+ after he put his king on f2 in the Kings gambit. Not undermining his strength, just his opponent's in such positions.
Oct-20-05  DeepBlade: I really love the way Greco handles this opening, he just mates the one or the other way, with the same pattern.
Oct-20-05  Averageguy: <Skylark>385 years ago actually.
Nov-23-05  Chopin: I really enjoy studying Greco's games. I realize that they might be fabricated, but regardless you can learn a lot from them.
Feb-05-06  DeepBlade: How to kill the Falkbeer.
Feb-05-06  aw1988: The Falkbeer is perfectly sound.
Feb-04-06  DeepBlade: Not in the hands of NN
Mar-14-06  Dodd: Wow! The Falkbeer Countergambit, way back then... Maybe I am displaying my ignorance, but was castling not allowed in those days? What was the black king doing running to f8?
Mar-17-06  DeepBlade: Black never got the chance to castle, and Kf8 is to avoid the Re1 pin on the Black ♕
Mar-19-06  Dodd: Ah right. There I am displaying my ignorance. :-)

So black's mistake was bringing the queen out so early?

Mar-19-06  DeepBlade: <Dodd> Yes I think so, Black could continue in a relaxed manner like 3. ...e4 or 3. ...exf4 transposing to a Breyer Gambit or the Abbazia Defence. and even if you choose to take the d-pawn with your ♕ you must have 6. ...c6 to prevent the trap as shown in this game.
Mar-22-06  Dodd: Good lesson for the chess kids. I like it when you can find a clear example of a lesson for them - do not bring your queen out too early! Had the game recently changed the rules for queens? That might explain how excited people got running around with them in those days. :-)
Mar-22-06  erimiro1: <Bobak Zahmat>...Unless you play it 250 years before Falkbeer "invented" his counter gambit! You can't judge "NN" by 21st. century standards.
Apr-11-06  MorphyMatt: 6... ♗c5+?? ouch, black really is an NN
Apr-28-06  Dodd: Just played the Falkbeer countergambit yesterday in a blitz game against a 2200 player from Poland, who was a bit shocked a patzer like me played it! I still lost, but it was a great game, and he kindly showed me where I went wrong after the game was over. lol
Sep-23-07  wolfmaster: 8...Kd8 wouldn't have been any better, as 9.Re1 still threatens mate on e8.
Mar-13-15  Cactusjuice: < ???????????????????????????? >
Mar-19-16  kubbybulin: Ohhh the oft beleagured nn...
Oct-02-17  Christoforus Polacco: If 5... e4? 6.Ne5 Bd6 7.Bc4
Oct-02-17  Christoforus Polacco: <Dodd> King goes to 'f8' to save the Queen :) If 8... c6 or 8... Bd7 wins simple 9.Re1. For example (from my casual game) : 1.e4 e5 2.f4 d5 3.ed ef 4.Nf3 Q:d5 5.Nc3 Qe6+ 6.Be2 Bd6 7.O-O Nf6 ? 8.Bb5+ and Black's Queen kaput :)
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