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| Nov-26-02 | | AgentRgent: Possibly because 10...Ng4 11. Qxd6 Bxd6 12. Nf6+ Nxf6 13. Rxf6 Be7 14. Bxf7+ and Blacks position is a mess. |
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| Nov-27-02 | | drukenknight: isnt black going to give check first? |
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| Nov-27-02 | | AgentRgent: What do you mean DK? if you mean 13...Bc5+ that doesn't really help Blacks position. 13...Bc5+ 14. Kh1 Bd4 (is there better?) 15. Bxf7+ and Blacks position is still a mess... |
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| Dec-03-02 | | drukenknight: I was thinking 10...Qc5+ what am I missing now? |
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| Jun-18-04 | | soberknight: dk, you might never read this, but you have a point. Probably black resigned because he thought he had to exchange queens because there's no way he analyzed the whole following line: 10...Qc5+ 11 d4 (if Ne3 Be6 traps white's queen) Qxc4 12 Nf6+ Ke7 13 Bg5 (white can draw with Nd5-f6-d5 perpetual check, since ...Ke6?? allows Rf6 mate) Qxd4+ 14 Kh1 Bg7 and it looks to me that black should hold on and win. |
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| Jun-04-05 | | Jaymthetactician: I think Cascio may have been better then Greco |
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| Jun-04-05 | | aw1988: Analysis need not be added to a game from the 17th century. |
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| Jun-04-05 | | Jaymthetactician: I still think black has no excuse to lose in a Muzio gambit, and why not analysis needed? We can see where the opponent gone wrong and improve on the lines, I add improvements on Greco's games all the time (I.E: 1.e4,e5 2.f4,f5 3.exf5,exf4 or 3...Qf6 or 3...Qe7 is better then 3...Qh4+) |
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| Jun-04-05 | | aw1988: Because they knew nothing about chess. |
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| Jun-04-05 | | Anastasia: people werent as smart bqck then |
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| Jun-04-05 | | aw1988: Of course they were as smart- that is, for their time. |
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| Jun-06-05 | | Jaymthetactician: Anastasia: people werent as smart bqck then
That may be true, but there is entertainment value in studying the games though. |
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| Nov-06-05 | | DeepBlade: What if 10. ...Qc5+ and after that Qxc4? |
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| May-20-06 | | 2021: <Deep Blade> 11.Ne3 |
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| May-20-06 | | MoonlitKnight: Most likely, the rest of the game is missing. |
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| Aug-26-07 | | 2021: <deepblade> Actually, after 10...Qc5+ 11.Ne3 traps white's Queen. Read soberknight's post. |
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| Oct-04-07 | | wolfmaster: <2021> and 11...Bd6 wins it. |
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| Jan-28-08 | | wolfmaster: <MoonlitKnight> Since Cascio is not as well known as Greco, he might not have preserved most of the game. |
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| Jul-24-09 | | just a kid: It probably stops here because Cascio is embarrased he almost let NN win.=) |
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| Oct-04-12 | | Zanderix: According to an italian chess site, the NN in this game is Muzio himself ... |
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| Nov-29-14 | | Christoforus Polacco: In real game by many, many years I hadn't any occasion to play Muzio gambit, unfortunately. Only with my uncle - but we started from 5th move. So it was like ''correspondence game'' :)
Not in natural way.
One time when I was playing friendly game I was sure that it appear after :
1.e4 e5 2.f4 ef 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 and I was hope that my best friend wants to play 4.... g4, but probably he afraid that my horse jump to 'e5' (Salvio Gambit) , so he ''protected'' first this field by 4. ... f6 (??)
From this moment game was short.
5.N:g5 fg 6.Qh5+ Ke7 7.Qf7+ Kd6 8.Qd5+ Ke7 9.Qe5 mateBut a few weeks ago, my comp (Chess Titans program - 7th level, so about 1650 Elo) surprised me by Muzio :)
I wasn't ready for version 6... Qe7 :) - like in this game above: Cascio vs NN.
Double Muzio Gambit (6... Qf6) is much more known and easier for me ;) So it was draw...
1.e4 e5 2.f4 ef 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 g4 5.O-O gf 6.Q:f3 Qe7 7.d4 Nc6 8.B:f4 N:d4 9.Qc3 Bg7 10.B:f7+ Q:f7 11.Q:c7 Nb5 12.Qa5 Bd4+ 13.Kh1 B:b2 14.Nd2 B:a1 15.Bg5 b6 16.Q:b5 Q:a2 17.Nb3 Ba6 18.Qd5 B:f1 19.Q:a8+ Kf7 20.Qd5+ Ke8 and perpetual |
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| Jan-09-15 | | Avun Jahei: It should be made clear somewhere that most of the early games are incomplete, then people wouldn't ask any longer why they did resign. It was not easy to record a game prior to the invention of algebraic notation- |
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| Feb-13-15 | | Christoforus Polacco: My last Muzio in this variant.
1.e4 e5 2.f4 ef 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 g4 5.O-O gf 6.Q:f3 Qe7 7.d4 Nc6 8.Nc3 Qf6 9.e5 Qg6 10.Nb5 Rb8 11.B:f4 Q:c2 12.B:f7+ Kd8 13.e6 d6 14.Qg3 Q:b2 15.Rab1 Qe2 16.Rfe1 N:d4 17.N:d4 Qa6 18.B:g8 h6 19.Nf5 d5 20.e7+ B:e7 21.B:c7+ Ke8 22.R:e7+ Kf8 23.Qg7 mate |
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| Sep-24-17 | | sneaky pete: Cascio used Italian style free castling by playing the Rook to f1 and the King to h1, guarding His Majesty from future Queen checks at c5, so Bc4 was never endangered. Position after 5.O-O ..
click for larger viewThe game is incomplete.
Information from Murray's Collection of European Games (via the Oxford Encyclopedia). |
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| Jan-11-19 | | kereru: The Muzio with Italian style free castling (K on h1) is fully viable in my opinion. |
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