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|Sep-11-10|| ||zarg: <zanshin: <Kinghunt: Can someone explain 35. Kh1 to me? I've heard it referred to as a brilliant move, but I just don't get it.>|
I don't either.>
That was a great psych move by GK! Recall, this was before arrival of strong engines..
None of the experts on the World team could see it coming, and it resulted most likely in total chaos at the World team's message board.
Always play the man! :)
|Oct-11-10|| ||rwbean: Rybka 4 actually changes its mind from 35. Kg2 to 35. Kh1 at 28 ply (with 8-core i7 at 2.8 GHz, after about 12 hours):|
info depth 31 score cp 142 time 75866110 nodes 30655562899 nps 404074 pv g1h1 b4b3
There doesn't seem to be much change in the score.
However for 27. h4, it's the difference between an eval of about +125 and 0, because Black can draw with 29 ... b4 in the game. It needs more investigation, I'm writing about it at elvumgar.fea.st.
|Dec-24-10|| ||Tigranny: What was the plan with 54.b4? And couldn't Black perpetually check White after 62.g7?|
|Jan-24-11|| ||karrer: If. 52....Kc1, 53. Qe4 Qf1, 54. Ke7 b4, 55. Qb4 Qf5!, 56. Qc3+ Kb1, 57. Qf6 Qe4+!, 58. Kf7 Qc4+, 59. Kg7 d5!=. Upon 55. g6 Qg1!, 56. Qf4 (56. Qc4+ Kd1, 57. Qd3+ Kc1=)56....Kd1, 57. Kg7 b3=. -Karrer 7-man ending tablebase of late 1999|
|Jan-24-11|| ||Kinghunt: <Tigranny: What was the plan with 54.b4? And couldn't Black perpetually check White after 62.g7?>|
The idea is to divert the white queen from the f file in order to allow black to give checks down it. It turns out to be a mistaken idea that turns an objectively drawn position into a position objectively won for white, but it takes immense amounts of analysis to show this.
And no, black cannot force a perpetual check after 62. g7. One winning line goes 62...Qc6+ 63. Kg5 Qd5+ 64. Qf5 Qg2+ 65. Qg4 Qd5+ 66. Kh4 Qh1+ 67. Kg3 Qg1+ 68. Kf4 Qe3+ 69. Kf5 Qd3+ 70. Kg5 and black has no more checks. It's a very deep win, and few would have resigned here over the board, but this was a correspondence game, and both sides could see the forced win (Kasparov found it first, then announced it).
|Jan-25-11|| ||karrer: after 52....Kc1,
If. 52....Kc1!, 53. Qe4 Qf1+, 54. Ke7 b4!, 55. Qb4 Qf5!, 56. Qc3+ Kb1, 57. Qf6 Qe4+!, 58. Kf7 Qc4+, 59. Kg7 d5!=. Upon 55. g6 Qg1!, 56. Qf4 (56. Qc4+ Kd1, 57. Qd3+ Kc1=)56....Kd1, 57. Kf7 b3=. - citing Peter Karrer's, Swiss programmer, 7-man ending tablebase of November 1999 for K-World at move 52....Some of the above black moves are the only moves possible that lead to draw.
|Jan-27-11|| ||Tigranny: Sorry about my error Kinghunt.|
Let's not underestimate just how good the World played this game. Kasparov was barely able to squeak out a win against us.
We don't even have to consider the possibility of voting fraud or e-mail scandals. Kasparov's own words tell just how great we played.
<"After the game Kasparov shocked many people on the MSN forum, which was kept open after multiple requests, by announcing he had been reading the World Team strategy board during the game">
He admitted he needed to read our analysis in order to compete with us!
|Dec-26-13|| ||alexh0264: @Kinghunt jan-24-11 : I don't understand why black has no more checks after your play 70: why not 70. Kg5 Qd2 ? Or 70. Kg5 Qb5?|
|Jul-24-14|| ||IFNB: Wow, I never knew Kasparov pulled a Bill Belichick in this game. Decreases my appreciation of it just a tad.|
|Aug-04-14|| ||rickycota: <DPLeo> Play yourself against Kasparov and then talk, just don't use Engines|
|Aug-04-14|| ||AylerKupp: <rikycota> What's your point? You don't think that <DPLeo> and the other members of the team should be proud of themselves because they almost held the greatest player of all time to a draw and only lost at the very end? And don't forget, Kasparov was also using both engines and assistants in this game.|
What do you think it would prove if <DPLeo> or anyone else at this site played Kasparov one-on-one without the benefit of engine support? That Kasparov is a better player? Well, duh.
|Aug-05-14|| ||OhioChessFan: <"After the game Kasparov shocked many people on the MSN forum, which was kept open after multiple requests, by announcing he had been reading the World Team strategy board during the game"> |
Yes, an outrageous ethical failure on Kasparov's part. I don't know what to think of the fact he admitted it.
|Oct-22-14|| ||SpiritedReposte: I love a game that is so close instead of it being over when you are promoting a pawn, it is just the beginning of a second act.|
|Jan-08-15|| ||GoldenBird: Eww 11...Qxe4|
|Jan-08-15|| ||Rookiepawn: <"After the game Kasparov shocked many people on the MSN forum, which was kept open after multiple requests, by announcing he had been reading the World Team strategy board during the game">|
A real blunder by GK. He could have tried to make it fair, who would vote for someone who does this?
|Apr-21-15|| ||Xonatron: Curious:
After 49. Kg6 there are only 7 pieces left. What do the 7-piece endgame databases say? Anyone with access to them?
After 55. Qb4 there are only 6 pieces left, mate in 82 moves.
|Apr-21-15|| ||Xonatron: Also, see my previous comment, Kasparov plays perfectly each move once it is down to 6 pieces, and the world does not. Amazing really.|
|Oct-09-15|| ||The Kings Domain: Good play by both sides, Kasparov was just one step ahead.|
|Oct-09-15|| ||john barleycorn: yes, there are a few points. <Rookiepawn> mentioned one.|
|Oct-29-15|| ||Kinghunt: Just looked over this game again with some help from Komodo, and all I'm going to say is that the lizard is not impressed with the quality of play from either side. What a difference 16 years makes!|
|Oct-29-15|| ||Kinghunt: <Xonatron: Curious:
After 49. Kg6 there are only 7 pieces left. What do the 7-piece endgame databases say? Anyone with access to them?>
It is a tablebase draw. 54...b4 is the losing move, changing it from a draw to a mate in 83 (as any six piece tablebase can tell you).
Kasparov appears to have missed an earlier forced win with 38. Rd1! His move allowed The World to reach a drawn queen ending, albeit one beyond their skill to hold.
|Dec-09-15|| ||rwbean: I got an m4.10xlarge instance on Amazon EC2 (Stockfish 6, 128 GB hash, 40 e5-2676 v3 cores, 5 piece tablebases) and spent another month looking at it - analysis at elvumgar.fea.st.|
Similar conclusions to last time - 18... ♗d4 is a clear draw, 21 ... f4 is better, it prefers 26... ♗c5 to 26... f4 because of 27. h4, there were better moves in 15... b5, 29... b4, 34... ♗h8, 35... ♘e5, and 36... ♗c3 (the only move!) ... 38. ♖d1 wins (the only move) ... and 53. ♕e4 also just appears to only draw. It took 54 ... b4 to finally lose.
|Jan-03-16|| ||Hawkman: This game was set 3 years after Garry's first loss to Deep Blue and the World team could have made their strategies private. Anyone who thinks Garry did anything wrong is very naive and should not go into business.|
|Apr-01-16|| ||QueensideCastler: After 50...d1Q it's draw according Lomonosov Tablebases. |
"The World" blundered with 54...b4 | After 55. Qxb4 white mates in 83.
54...Qd3 is the correct move.
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