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|Mar-24-08|| ||Mac3: DarthStapler: "Wormald attack"?
Don't "worr'all" it's just a typo ;-)
|Mar-24-08|| ||Pawn Promotions: "You sit at the board and suddenly your breast leaps. Your hand trembles to pick up the piece and move it. But what chess teaches you is that you must sit there calmly and think about whether it's really a good idea and whether there are other, better ideas."
Newsweek, May 26, 1980
|Mar-24-08|| ||takchess: Was there a game in the original Arthur C Clarke's book ? BTw. I heard that Kubrick was rated at 2001. *)|
|Mar-24-08|| ||malthrope: There is a nice article that Bill Wall wrote titled, "Stanley Kubrick and Chess."|
It covers pretty much everything connected with chess in his life and in his movies
chronologically. It's well worth a view and it's a quick read.
Two quotes mentioned in the article are well worth posting here.
<"Chess helps you develop patience and discipline in choosing between alternatives at a time when an impulsive decision seems very attractive.">
<"Chess teaches you to control the initial excitement you feel when you see something that looks good and it trains you to think objectively when you're in trouble.">
- Stanley Kubrick
'nuff said! ;) - Mal
|Mar-24-08|| ||kevin86: It's funny,I looked at my past analysis and thought I had erred-but instead was correcting another's fault.|
The game was brilliant. Black sacs the queen and forces mate with a hivefull of minor pieces.
|Mar-24-08|| ||Phony Benoni: Actually, I think that 5.Qe2 is called the Wormald Attack and 6.Qe2 the Worrall, though obviously transpositions are possible. Where is <tpstar> when you really need him?|
|Mar-24-08|| ||chessgames.com: Robert Bownas Wormald was a 19th century chess player and author, so I doubt "Wormald Attack" is a typographical mistake, but it conceivably could be a misclassification. Eric Schiller may be able to clarify, but until we learn otherwise we'll assume the data are correct.|
|Mar-24-08|| ||tpstar: Q: Where is <tpstar>?|
A: Avoiding this crush.
Presto! It is now "Wormald" upstairs.
|Mar-24-08|| ||ounos: Thank you <chessgames> for this kind dedication to the going-to-be-missed Arthur Clarke...|
|Mar-24-08|| ||gauer: Hooper & Whyld, "Oxford Companion to Chess", 2nd ed. give only the line ending 6 Qe2 as the Worrall. 5 Qe2 is the Wormald. Following along a bit, 5 ... b5 6 Bb3 Qe7 7 c3 d6 8 d4 in the latter leads to the branch with: 8 ... Bg4 starts the Grunfeld variation, the only sub-line that they give in the appendix.|
|Mar-24-08|| ||Phony Benoni: I've been pondering the difference between the Wormald Attack <1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.Qe2> and the Worrall Attack <1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Qe2>. One possibility is that Black can play a ...Bc5 line more readily in the Wormald, as White's usual counter of c3 and d4 is harder to enforce with the queen on e2. In the Worrall, this doesn't apply since Black has already developed the bishop to e7.|
|Mar-25-08|| ||apexin: brillant short game.|
|May-26-08|| ||JimmyVermeer: Rösch made 3 bad moves in a row - moves 12, 13, and 14.|
|Jul-19-08|| ||Eggman: Clever claymation rendering of this game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXM3...|
|Oct-15-08|| ||vntraderus: wow! white is so underdeveloped here. black is just sac-ing pieces for this huge advantage!|
|Sep-26-09|| ||WhiteRook48: white is such a patzer|
|Feb-19-10|| ||echector: if white takes the h3 bishop, white takes with the knight and lands the final blow on f1 with the queen|
|Oct-08-10|| ||echector: Sorry, its Black that takes the knight. Typo|
|Mar-20-11|| ||Seg: To summarize, White blunders horribly at 12.Qxa8 and moves into a forced mate at 14.Qxa6|
I suspect Kubrick chose this game simply because he wanted a game where one player (the human) flubs the game fairly quickly, notational errors aside.
|Jul-21-12|| ||kingfu: I would say that Arthur Clarke and Stanley Kubrick played chess during 2001. Malcolm McDowell and Kubrick played a lot on the set of "A Clockwork Orange". On later versions of the DVD there is an interview about the experienced with the movie and Kubrick by McDowell.|
A sad note: I did tech support at DirecTV for about a decade. We had a staff meeting on the day that AC Clarke passed. I have seen the original "document" where Clarke shows his idea of having satellites in a geostationary orbit for telecom applications. It was on a cocktail napkin! Now that technology is commonplace. I mentioned these facts as relating to the folks at DTV having a nice living.
None of the schmucks even knew who Sir Arthur Charles Clarke was.
|Feb-03-13|| ||pescau: <takchess: Was there a game in the original Arthur C Clarke's book?>|
I read the book many years ago, and I don't remember whether there was a chess game in it.
But I think that this novel (2001: A Space Odyssey) is one of the very few cases (I'm not aware of any other) where the book was written <after> the film. I think Clarke said he reckoned that many (mainly philosophical) points were insufficiently clear in the film.
|Sep-06-13|| ||GumboGambit: I recently read the book, and it was mentioned in the foreward Clarke and Kubrick worked in conjunction. So both movie and book were developed at the same time. Quite a rarity. I would recommend all fans of the film to read the book because it explains a lot that isnt clear in the film. |
The chess match is not in the book. Not surprising that Kubrick put it in the film as he was a chess enthusiast. I will say the pun is a bit misleading as HAL played Frank Poole, not Dave. Perhaps a more fitting pun/reference would be something along the lines of "Human Error".
|Jul-21-14|| ||Ke2: <Rösch made 3 bad moves in a row - moves 12, 13, and 14.> Na white is dead on move 12|
|Sep-18-14|| ||Ke2: <Grumbo> It is mentioned in the book. Something like "Hal was programmed to lose 50% of the time to make it interesting." |
By the way, it is mate in 3, which is totally accurate. White can play Qc8, Qe6, or Qh6, the queen is taken, then h3 or h2, then Black plays Nh3 followed by Ng4 and you have a diamond of pieces giving mate.
|Oct-22-15|| ||Peligroso Patzer: Schlage certainly could not have envisioned that this game would be used 58 years later in a famous film (“2001: A Space Odyssey”, as noted in the annotation to Black’s 13th move and in various comments in the thread), , but I wonder whether he might have made a different historical association while the game was in progress. Although the positions are different in many respects, this game reminds me of another game (perhaps Morphy’s second-most-famous game) in which Black on move 12 played … Qd8-d3 very strongly:
Paulsen vs Morphy, 1857
FWIW, it is noted that Kubrick’s reputed source for this game Irving Chernev’s <1000 Best Short Games of Chess> (Simon and Schuster ©1955, at page 148) does not mention the Morphy game.
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