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|Mar-24-08|| ||malthrope: There is a nice article that Bill Wall wrote titled, "Stanley Kubrick and Chess."|
It covers pretty much everything connected with chess in his life and in his movies
chronologically. It's well worth a view and it's a quick read.
Two quotes mentioned in the article are well worth posting here.
<"Chess helps you develop patience and discipline in choosing between alternatives at a time when an impulsive decision seems very attractive.">
<"Chess teaches you to control the initial excitement you feel when you see something that looks good and it trains you to think objectively when you're in trouble.">
- Stanley Kubrick
'nuff said! ;) - Mal
|Mar-24-08|| ||kevin86: It's funny,I looked at my past analysis and thought I had erred-but instead was correcting another's fault.|
The game was brilliant. Black sacs the queen and forces mate with a hivefull of minor pieces.
|Mar-24-08|| ||Phony Benoni: Actually, I think that 5.Qe2 is called the Wormald Attack and 6.Qe2 the Worrall, though obviously transpositions are possible. Where is <tpstar> when you really need him?|
|Mar-24-08|| ||chessgames.com: Robert Bownas Wormald was a 19th century chess player and author, so I doubt "Wormald Attack" is a typographical mistake, but it conceivably could be a misclassification. Eric Schiller may be able to clarify, but until we learn otherwise we'll assume the data are correct.|
|Mar-24-08|| ||tpstar: Q: Where is <tpstar>?|
A: Avoiding this crush.
Presto! It is now "Wormald" upstairs.
|Mar-24-08|| ||ounos: Thank you <chessgames> for this kind dedication to the going-to-be-missed Arthur Clarke...|
|Mar-24-08|| ||gauer: Hooper & Whyld, "Oxford Companion to Chess", 2nd ed. give only the line ending 6 Qe2 as the Worrall. 5 Qe2 is the Wormald. Following along a bit, 5 ... b5 6 Bb3 Qe7 7 c3 d6 8 d4 in the latter leads to the branch with: 8 ... Bg4 starts the Grunfeld variation, the only sub-line that they give in the appendix.|
|Mar-24-08|| ||Phony Benoni: I've been pondering the difference between the Wormald Attack <1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.Qe2> and the Worrall Attack <1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Qe2>. One possibility is that Black can play a ...Bc5 line more readily in the Wormald, as White's usual counter of c3 and d4 is harder to enforce with the queen on e2. In the Worrall, this doesn't apply since Black has already developed the bishop to e7.|
|Mar-25-08|| ||apexin: brillant short game.|
|May-26-08|| ||JimmyVermeer: Rösch made 3 bad moves in a row - moves 12, 13, and 14.|
|Jul-19-08|| ||Eggman: Clever claymation rendering of this game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXM3...|
|Oct-15-08|| ||vntraderus: wow! white is so underdeveloped here. black is just sac-ing pieces for this huge advantage!|
|Sep-26-09|| ||WhiteRook48: white is such a patzer|
|Feb-19-10|| ||echector: if white takes the h3 bishop, white takes with the knight and lands the final blow on f1 with the queen|
|Oct-08-10|| ||echector: Sorry, its Black that takes the knight. Typo|
|Mar-20-11|| ||Seg: To summarize, White blunders horribly at 12.Qxa8 and moves into a forced mate at 14.Qxa6|
I suspect Kubrick chose this game simply because he wanted a game where one player (the human) flubs the game fairly quickly, notational errors aside.
|Jul-21-12|| ||kingfu: I would say that Arthur Clarke and Stanley Kubrick played chess during 2001. Malcolm McDowell and Kubrick played a lot on the set of "A Clockwork Orange". On later versions of the DVD there is an interview about the experienced with the movie and Kubrick by McDowell.|
A sad note: I did tech support at DirecTV for about a decade. We had a staff meeting on the day that AC Clarke passed. I have seen the original "document" where Clarke shows his idea of having satellites in a geostationary orbit for telecom applications. It was on a cocktail napkin! Now that technology is commonplace. I mentioned these facts as relating to the folks at DTV having a nice living.
None of the schmucks even knew who Sir Arthur Charles Clarke was.
|Feb-03-13|| ||pescau: <takchess: Was there a game in the original Arthur C Clarke's book?>|
I read the book many years ago, and I don't remember whether there was a chess game in it.
But I think that this novel (2001: A Space Odyssey) is one of the very few cases (I'm not aware of any other) where the book was written <after> the film. I think Clarke said he reckoned that many (mainly philosophical) points were insufficiently clear in the film.
|Sep-06-13|| ||GumboGambit: I recently read the book, and it was mentioned in the foreward Clarke and Kubrick worked in conjunction. So both movie and book were developed at the same time. Quite a rarity. I would recommend all fans of the film to read the book because it explains a lot that isnt clear in the film. |
The chess match is not in the book. Not surprising that Kubrick put it in the film as he was a chess enthusiast. I will say the pun is a bit misleading as HAL played Frank Poole, not Dave. Perhaps a more fitting pun/reference would be something along the lines of "Human Error".
|Jul-21-14|| ||Ke2: <Rösch made 3 bad moves in a row - moves 12, 13, and 14.> Na white is dead on move 12|
|Sep-18-14|| ||Ke2: <Grumbo> It is mentioned in the book. Something like "Hal was programmed to lose 50% of the time to make it interesting." |
By the way, it is mate in 3, which is totally accurate. White can play Qc8, Qe6, or Qh6, the queen is taken, then h3 or h2, then Black plays Nh3 followed by Ng4 and you have a diamond of pieces giving mate.
|Oct-22-15|| ||Peligroso Patzer: Schlage certainly could not have envisioned that this game would be used 58 years later in a famous film (“2001: A Space Odyssey”, as noted in the annotation to Black’s 13th move and in various comments in the thread), , but I wonder whether he might have made a different historical association while the game was in progress. Although the positions are different in many respects, this game reminds me of another game (perhaps Morphy’s second-most-famous game) in which Black on move 12 played … Qd8-d3 very strongly:
Paulsen vs Morphy, 1857
FWIW, it is noted that Kubrick’s reputed source for this game Irving Chernev’s <1000 Best Short Games of Chess> (Simon and Schuster ©1955, at page 148) does not mention the Morphy game.
|Feb-28-16|| ||luftforlife: The redoubtable Tim Krabbe discusses this game, and its manifestation in Stanley Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey, in his online piece about Willi Schlage. Here's the link:|
Best to all. ~ lufty
|Mar-28-16|| ||yurikvelo: D=22, K9.3
+0,12 12.d4 Bb7 13.Qxb7 Ne2+ 14.Kh1 Nxc1 (+0.14 @ D=40)
-0,25 12.Qxf4 Nd3 13.Qf3 Rb8 14.Bc2 Nxc1
-2,08 12.d3 Nxg2 13.Qxg2 Qxd3 14.Be3 Bg4
-2,82 12.Na3 Ned3 13.Qxa8 Nxc1 14.Rfxc1 Ne2+
-3,05 12.Bc2 Ned3 13.Bxd3 Qxd3 14.Qxf4 Bd6
-3,76 12.Qxe5 Bd6 13.Qe4 Qg5 14.g3 Bf5
-4,03 12.Bd1 Ned3 13.Qxa8 Nxc1 14.Bc2 Bh3
-4,10 12.a4 Ned3 13.Qxa8 Nxc1 14.Bc2 Bh3
-4,50 12.a3 Ned3 13.Qxa8 Nxc1 14.Bc2 Bh3
-4,78 12.c4 Ned3 13.Qxa8 Ne2+ 14.Kh1 b4
-5,20 12.Bc4 bxc4 13.d4 cxd3 14.Bxf4 Ng6
-5,20 12.Rd1 Ned3 13.Qxa8 Ne2+ 14.Kf1 Nexc1
-5,95 12.Kh1 Qd3 13.Qxd3 Nexd3 14.Bc2 Bc5
-6,35 12.Re1 Ned3 13.Qxe7 Nxe1 14.Bxf7+ Kh8
-6,48 12.h3 Ned3 13.Bc2 Rb8 14.Bxd3 Nxd3
-6,66 12.Ba4 Ned3 13.Bc2 Rb8 14.Bxd3 Nxd3
-7,16 12.h4 Ned3 13.Bc2 Rb8 14.Bxd3 Nxd3
-7,47 12.g3 Nh3+ 13.Kh1 Ng5 14.Qd5 Ra7
-7,58 12.Be6 Ned3 13.Bxc8 Qxc8 14.Qf3 Qe6
-9,11 12.Bd5 Qxd5 13.Qxf4 Bb7 14.Qg3 Nd3
-10,47 12.Bxf7+ Rxf7 13.Kh1 Qd3 14.Qxd3 Nfxd3
-11,06 12.Qe3 Ned3 13.Qf3 Rb8 14.Bd5 Qxd5
-11,37 12.Qxa8 Qd3 13.Re1 Nh3+ 14.gxh3 Nf3+ <------ +M24
-12,02 12.f3 Ned3 13.Kh1 Bc5 14.Qxf4 Nxf4
+M23 13. Re1 Nh3+ 14. gxh3 Nf3+ 15. Qxf3 Qxf3
+M10 13. Bd1 Bh3 14.Qb7 c6 15.Qxe7 Bxg2 <------ Frank
+M10 13. Bxf7+ Nxf7 14.h3 Nxh3+ 15.gxh3 Bxh3
+M08 13. Rd1 Bh3 14.Qb7 c6 15.Qxc6 Nxc6
-M9 14.Qb7 c6 15.Qxe7 Bxg2 16.Re1 Nf3+
-M8 14.Na3 Rxa8 15.Nc2 Bxg2 16.Ne3 Qg6
-M8 14.Re1 Rxa8 15.Rxe5 Bxg2 16.Be2 Qg6
-M7 14.Qd5 Qxd5 15.f3 Ned3 16.Re1 Bxg2
-M7 14.Qc6 Nxc6 15.Re1 Bxg2 16.Bg4 Ne5
-M6 14.Bb3 Rxa8 15.Bd5 Bxg2 16.Re1 Nf3+
-M6 14.Qxf8+ Kxf8 15.Re1 Bxg2 16.b3 Qg6
-M6 14.Bf3 Rxa8 15.Bd5 Bxg2 16.Re1 Nf3+
-M6 14.b4 Rxa8 15.Re1 Bxg2 16.Bh5 Nf3+
-M6 14.Bg4 Rxa8 15.Re1 Nxg4 16.Rxe7 Ne2+
-M6 14.a3 Rxa8 15.Re1 Bxg2 16.Bh5 Nf3+
-M6 14.Bc2 Ne2+ 15.Kh1 Ng3+ 16.hxg3 Qxf1+
-M6 14.b3 Rxa8 15.Bh5 Bxg2 16.Rd1 Nf3+
-M6 14.a4 Rxa8 15.Re1 Bxg2 16.Bh5 Nf3+
-M6 14.Qe4 Qxe4 15.f3 Ned3 16.b4 Qg6
-M6 14.Qd8 Rxd8 15.Re1 Bxg2 16.Bh5 Nf3+
-M6 14.Bh5 Rxa8 15.f3 Bc5+ 16.Rf2 Re8
-M6 14.Qc8 Bxg2 15.Re1 Rxc8 16.Bh5 Nf3+
-M6 14.c4 Rxa8 15.Re1 Bxg2 16.Bh5 Nf3+
-M5 14.Qf3 Nxf3+ 15.Bxf3 Bxg2 16.Be2 Bf3
-M5 14.Qxa6 Bxg2 15.Re1 Qf3 16.Qe6 fxe6 <------ Frank
-M5 14.Ba4 Rxa8 15.Bd1 Bxg2 16.Re1 Qf3
-M5 14.f3 Bxg2 15.Qxf8+ Bxf8 16.Rf2 Qg6
-M5 14.Qb8 Bxg2 15.Re1 Qf3 16.Qxf8+ Bxf8
-M5 14.Qe8 Bxg2 15.Re1 Qf3 16.Qc8 Rxc8
-M5 14.Be2 Nxe2+ 15.Kh1 Ng3+ 16.hxg3 Qxf1+
-M4 14.gxh3 Rxa8 15.Bg4 Nf3+ 16.Bxf3 Qxf3
-M4 14.Qa7 Bxg2 15.Re1 Qf3 16.h4 Nh3+
-M1 14.Kh1 Qxf1+
-M1 14.g4 Qxf1+
|Apr-23-16|| ||solskytz: This game was previously played in the hall of the mountain king|
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