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|May-19-11|| ||newzild: Theoretically, rook-pawns and bishop-pawns are the hardest to win with in rook endgames.|
|May-19-11|| ||Honza Cervenka: 59...a5 was a mistake. There is no need to push Pawns hastily in ending like this. Correct way to the win was at first an improvement of position of black Rook, which is (as Tarrasch used to say) better placed behind or sidelong of own Pawns than ahead of them. It was not easy to achieve it and after 59...a5 it became objectively impossible against correct defense of white but black had the win in his hands after for example 59...Rh6 60.Ka3 a6! 61.Kb4 Rh4+! 62.Kb3 Rh5 63.Rf6+ (63.Kb4 Rb5+ 64.Ka4 h5! 65.Rf6+ Kc5! 66.Rxa6 Rb4+ 67.Ka3 h4 ) 63...Ka5 64.Ka3 Rh3+ 65.Ka2 Rh4 66.Ka3 Ra4+ 67.Kb3 Rb4+ 68.Ka3 h5 69.Rh6 Rb5 etc.|
|May-19-11|| ||fionas88888: This is not a draw, it is a WIN FOR BLACK. Oh, by the way, "gg" is not an appropriate pun.|
|May-19-11|| ||Check It Out: gg seems like a perfectly suitable pun to me.|
|May-19-11|| ||SamAtoms1980: <Honza Cervenka> is right. 59 .... a5 dumped the win, and Grischuk didn't get another chance.|
The win is slow, complex, and beyond my comprehension. Thus if this game was indeed a rapid, Grischuk can be pardoned for failing to find the winning combination.
|May-19-11|| ||fgh: <fionas88888: This is not a draw, it is a WIN FOR BLACK.>|
Are you sure of this?
|May-19-11|| ||gtgloner: Well, how does white stop 81. ... Kxh3 82. Kf5 h7 etc.? I'm having the same questions as fionas88888.|
|May-19-11|| ||Xeroxx: ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg|
|May-19-11|| ||SamAtoms1980: <gtgloner: Well, how does white stop .... <82. ... h7> etc.?>|
He doesn't have to -- that's the arbiter's job.
|May-19-11|| ||Tigranny: Not a very good pun. Is the result wrong? White cannot stop Black from promoting his pawn.|
|May-19-11|| ||Sastre: <Tigranny: Not a very good pun. Is the result wrong? White cannot stop Black from promoting his pawn>|
No, this is a draw. 81...Kxh3 82.Kf3 h5 83.Kf2 h4 84.Kf3 Kh2 85.Kf2 h3 86.Kf1 Kg3 87.Kg1 h2+ 88.Kh1 Kh3 =.
|May-19-11|| ||Honza Cervenka: <Tigranny: Not a very good pun. Is the result wrong? White cannot stop Black from promoting his pawn.>|
He can do it quite easily. Of course, black Ph6 cannot promote on h8 and to get him at h1 would be possible probably only with knife on white's throat...:-)))
81...Kxh3 82.Kf3 is dead draw.
|May-19-11|| ||Llawdogg: I wonder how many more draws we're gonna get from these two guys.|
|May-19-11|| ||Machado: According to the tablebase, the position after ...56.Rxh2 is a win for black in 57 moves, but it was spoiled by 59.a5. It was necessary to move the rook to h3,h6 or h5. I think it should not be so difficult to miss a win in this position, even for a GM.|
|May-19-11|| ||ProLogik: I understand the "gg" as "good game."|
|May-19-11|| ||FSR: No fair -there's already been a "gg" Game of the Day. It had a very unusual concluding position - Edelman vs I Mazel, 1928.|
|May-19-11|| ||Penguincw: The shortest pun I've ever seen.|
|May-19-11|| ||BobCrisp: I think gg means that <Grischuk> looks like a horse.|
|May-19-11|| ||psmith: <Machado> For human beings, it is not very useful to be told that something is a 57 move table-base win. An explanation like that of Honza Cervenka is much more informative.|
|May-19-11|| ||SuperPatzer77: GG stands for Gelfand and Grischuk.
Well, that's the way it is.
|May-19-11|| ||mworld: From just glancing through this I like the look of 25.f3 more than Ke2|
|May-19-11|| ||LIFE Master AJ: several puns for "gg"
Gelfand - Grischuk.
|May-19-11|| ||LIFE Master AJ: 81 moves - hmm.
Hardly a GM draw.
|May-20-11|| ||Check It Out: < FSR: No fair -there's already been a "gg" Game of the Day. It had a very unusual concluding position - Edelman vs I Mazel, 1928;|
Yeah. They should change that one to "ggggg"
|May-21-11|| ||kevin86: It was a GOOD GAME. R+2P vs R is almost impossible to win if the pawns are both rook pawns-either doubled or on both sides.|
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