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|Nov-01-11|| ||FSR: Maybe "Fisch Beats Weakie" was better. I've read that Fischer hated the term "fish" because of the similarity to his name. He must have gotten teased with that epithet back before he became God of Chess.|
|Nov-01-11|| ||ounos: 24. ...Rc8 25. Qg6, attacking f7 and h6, winning.|
|Nov-01-11|| ||al wazir: <ounos: 24. ...Rc8 25. Qg6> Bf8. If 26. Bxh6, then 26...Kh8, and now if 27. Bxf7 gxh6 28. Qxf6+, then 28...Bg7 29. Qg6 Rf8 30. Bb3 Qf4 31. Rf1 Bd4.|
At least it would have been a more interesting endgame.
|Nov-01-11|| ||ZeejDonnelly: Is this really GOTD quality? I don't think so, and the pun isn't exactly a prize-winner. Fischer's execution, on the other hand, is a model of precision.|
|Nov-01-11|| ||FSR: <ZeejDonnelly> I agree. There are much better-quality games out there. Like, oh I don't know, maybe <the greatest swindle in chess history>: Beliavsky vs Christiansen, 1987.|
|Nov-01-11|| ||abuzic: <Phony Benoni: A rather routine game, but what if Black had tried <19...Nxd5>?
I don't feel like turning on my chess engine, but here's the line I'm seeing: 20.Bxe7 Nxe7 21.Qxf7+ Kh8 22.Rxd7 Qxd7 23.Re1 Re8 24.Rd1 Qc8 25.Be6 Qb8 26.Rd7 Nf5
And I have the feeling Fischer just might avoid 27.Bxf5?? Re1#. But surely there is something more decisive.>|
(In this line black instead of 26...Nf5 could play 26...h6 or 26...Rd8)
White had even stronger attack:
19...Nxd5 20.Bxe7 Nxe7 21.Qxf7+ Kh8 22.Rxd7 Qxd7 23.Re1 Re8 24.Re6 (threatening Rh6).
One possible continuation:
24...Qd8 25.Bc2 Rf8 26.Qh5 Ng6 27.Bxg6 h6 28.Bc2.
|Nov-01-11|| ||zev22407: Efficiency|
|Nov-01-11|| ||Benzol: <FSR> <Maybe "Fisch Beats Weakie" was better. I've read that Fischer hated the term "fish" because of the similarity to his name. He must have gotten teased with that epithet back before he became God of Chess.>|
Didn't Bobby once say "I don't listen to weakies" or something like that?
|Nov-01-11|| ||knighterrant999: A rather pedestrian offering today, featuring a rather nondistinguished opponent for Fischer. Ok, Bobby left his queen en prise. Ooooo.|
|Nov-01-11|| ||kevin86: Fischer used tactics to thin out the position-then used a pawn advantage to force his opponent to resign.|
It was NOT a festival of WEAKS!
|Nov-01-11|| ||newton296: game lacks creativity.
fisher trades pieces and black blows a pawn. fisher then centers the K to support the passed pawns. black resigns.
|Nov-01-11|| ||Chessmensch: Game of the weak.|
|Nov-01-11|| ||HeMateMe: Bob's middle game tactics made me Weak at the knees.|
|Nov-01-11|| ||checkmateyourmove: wouldnt really consider this game of a tourney or a day. I think chessgames has a halloween hangover and got lazy this morning...:)|
|Nov-01-11|| ||lost in space: Nice tactics. And it is said that Kasparov is the master of open positions. Fischer shows that he was it at least too.|
|Nov-01-11|| ||jackalope: I'm not a big fan of sacrificing my bishop pair so early in the game <4. ... Bxf3 5. Qxf3>, but be that as it may, did Black miss an opportunity after <8. Nxe4>? Perhaps <8. ... Qxd4 9. Nxf6 Qxf6 10. Qxf6 gxf6 11. Bf4 Nd7 12. O-O O-O-O>? Unless I'm missing a better play by White, this would appear to equalize...|
|Nov-01-11|| ||FSR: <Benzol: ... Didn't Bobby once say "I don't listen to weakies" or something like that?>|
Yes, I've definitely read that, maybe in one of Brady's books. He probably said it considerably more than once. I know I've read that he didn't think that weak chessplayers were worth listening to - on any subject.
<jackalope: ... did Black miss an opportunity after <8. Nxe4>? Perhaps <8. ... Qxd4 9. Nxf6 Qxf6 10. Qxf6 gxf6 11. Bf4 Nd7 12. O-O O-O-O>?>
I don't think Fischer would have played 9.Nxf6+. I'm not sure what he had in mind: either 9.0-0 followed by 10.Bd2, threatening 11.Bc3, or the more incisive 9.Be3!? Qxb2 (9...Qd8 10.0-0-0!) 10.0-0 intending 11.Rab1.
|Nov-01-11|| ||mikhs: Why didn't black take the d4 pawn with his queen?
Is there an immediate threat or he just didn't want to fall even further behind in developement?
|Nov-01-11|| ||jackalope: Perhaps you're right, <FSR>. But I think Black might have had some options after <9. Be3 Qxb2 10. O-O>. Maybe <10. ... Nxe4 11. Qxe4 Qb4 14. Qxb4 Bxb4>. I don't think I would see this OTB (I've been pushing pieces around for about an hour) but Black comes out with 7 pawns vs 5. I'm sure Fischer would have thwarted this line in some highly creative way. Just looked like Black might have missed on opportunity. Thanks for looking <FSR>.|
|Nov-01-11|| ||whiteshark: <W..e.aks> ... could become as important a journalistic tool as the Freedom of Information Act.|
— Time Magazine
|Nov-01-11|| ||DrMAL: <Phony Benoni: I don't feel like turning on my chess engine> Interesting remark, especially with all the trouble of making post, diagrams and all. 19...Nxd5? loses to 20.Bxe7 Rxe7 and either 21.Bxd5 or Rxd5 but black can lose faster if he wants by playing 20...Nxe7? to allow 21.Qxf7+! I guess another idea in this theme is 19...Qh2+?? patzer sees check, losing faster still. Turning on engine to check is much better than posting silly moves. <FSR: I don't think Fischer would have played 9.Nxf6+.> Agreed, line basically trades pieces for likely draw, an objective Fischer was opposed to, especially as white. <mikhs: Why didn't black take the d4 pawn with his queen?> Nothing wrong with 8...Qxd4 it could also be played on move 9. Difference is to not give white initiative, as taking pawn Qxd4 on either move does.|
Game was nice simul game, amateur Weaks did not play weakly. Fischer's play showed how consistent accuracy builds greater and greater advantage against inaccuracies such as 17...Rd7?! (17...e5) or 18...exd5?! (18...Nxd5). His own play had a few errors too (e.g., 23.Be3?! instead of 23.Bf4) but in the end chess is about winner being side with fewer/lesser mistakes, cheers.
|Nov-01-11|| ||Phony Benoni: <DrMAL> My apologies; I should have made it clearer that Black loses after 19...Nxd5, and you're surely right that Weaks played a better move. But that wasn't immediately clear to me, even after 21.Qxf7+, so I explored it a bit. We weaker players usually need a bit more confirmation. |
By the way, with my computer set-up it takes time and bother to open up my chess engine, especially when I'm about to turn in for the night. Suffice it to say I'm a klutz. But I do find it very easy to make diagrams by copying the FEN from the diagram on the webpage, so I tend to use too many of those.
|Nov-02-11|| ||DrMAL: <PB> Well it gave me a chuckle and reason for tactical shot of friendly sarcasm, especially at first because I misread 20...Nxe7 for 20...Rxe7 and thought: sure, someone as good as Fischer doesn't really need a queen anyway LOL, cheers.|
|May-26-13|| ||Damianx: i think it was cool of him its a sim. he gives the guy some moves and something to talk about i took Fisher to a king and pawn ending|
|May-26-13|| ||Damianx: ps and if it wasn,t 4 1 pawn i would of had him|
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