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|Jul-19-05|| ||EmperorAtahualpa: <awfulhangover> I agree.|
13. Bxf6 gxf6 14.Qe4 f5 15.Qxa8
|Jul-19-05|| ||YouRang: I got this pretty fast -- I think I may have seen it before, though (or one like it).|
<patzer2> I was confused by your comment regarding 13...gxf6. Your analysis ended with 15. Qxa8 Kxf8.
It looks to me like there is a black rook on f8, so how can we have 15... Kxf8? What am I missing?
|Jul-19-05|| ||AniamL: What happens after 35... Qf6? Though Fischer is clearly in a position to win, I don't see an immediately forceful reply for white.|
|Jul-19-05|| ||sneaky pete: <YouRang> You're missing the accidentally omitted moves, meant is (13... gxf6 14.Qe4 f5) 15.Qxa8 Ba6 16.Qxf8+ Kxf8.|
|Jul-19-05|| ||al wazir: <chessgames.com> How did this game get into the database? Not from Fischer's 50 best. Was it annotated? By whom?|
|Jul-19-05|| ||Montreal1666: <al wazir:> Read it says "Simul. Exhibition"|
|Jul-19-05|| ||al wazir: <Montreal1666>: That doesn't answer the question. The database has scores of 139 simultaneous games Fischer played in 1964. Fischer didn't record the moves of this one, Kral did. I'm curious about who collected the results.|
|Jul-19-05|| ||Rocafella: 13...g6 Does this not hold up for black?|
|Jul-19-05|| ||Montreal1666: <al wazir:> This is from a public simul. Exhibition. Somone must have kept the score. Why is it so surprizing?|
|Jul-19-05|| ||kevin86: The puzzle was easy-the remarkable thing was that black was able to put a good fight vs Fischer even after he had lost the rook.However,the gangly young man with the size fourteen feet prevailed.|
|Jul-19-05|| ||YouRang: <sneaky pete> Thank you - I get it now. With 14... f5, Black forces a queen for 2 rooks exchange, leaving things somewhat even. Good point!|
|Jul-19-05|| ||patzer2: <sneaky pete> Thanks for correcting my annotations. <YouRang> Thanks for pointing out the omission.|
I did indeed mean to say that Fritz 8's evaluation is 14. Qe4?! f5! 15. Qxa8 Ba6 16. Qxf8 Kxf8 = (-0.03 @ 14 depth per Fritz 8).
|Jul-19-05|| ||al wazir: <Montreal1666>: I'm not trying to be obscure. My point is that apparently no one has analyzed this game correctly before now. <Chessgames.com> copied it from another database or someone's collection. Was it merely collected, or did someone publish it with incomplete analysis?|
|Jul-19-05|| ||aw1988: Since Bxf6 gxf6 yields no win, what does everyone think of my idea of Bxh7+? This was my solution until I saw Bxf6 Qe4 etc.|
|Jul-19-05|| ||YouRang: Bxh7 would win a pawn, I suppose. What happened to the wolf?|
|Jul-19-05|| ||aw1988: It died.|
|Jul-19-05|| ||aw1988: Apparently after checking with Junior, Bxh7+ loses pretty quickly. It seems so obvious now; I guess I'm just hooked on the idea of "one winning move in a given setting". Is there ANY move that wins?|
|Jul-19-05|| ||notyetagm: I have seen this particular tactical mistake so many times it just amazes me. Black plays 12 ... b5??, exposing his undefended a8-♖ to attack on the a8-h1 diagonal, and loses it immediately to the <double attack with a mate threat> 13 ♗xf6 ♗xf6 14 ♕e4 g6 15 ♕xa8.|
As a French player, I see this trap all the time. Black tries to develop his bad bishop by ... b5 or ...b6 and runs smack into this nasty little ♗xf6-♕e4 combination.
|Jul-19-05|| ||buRnINGbeNd: Yea, like I said earlier, Bxh7+ (while it looks nice) doesn't have the same backup as in an advance French Defense. <patzer2> Thanks, it seems ironic that the first day I post, I bust Chessgames!|
|Jul-19-05|| ||Knight13: 13. Bxf6 Bxf6 14. Bxh7+ Kxh7? 15. Qe4+ Kg8 `16. Qxa8 doesn't work beacus of 14... Kh8!.|
|Jul-19-05|| ||buRnINGbeNd: Actually, <Knight13> 14. ...Kxh7 is perfectly playable. After 15.Qe4+ Kg8 16.Qxa8 Black has a huge initiative in 16. ...b4! 17.Qe4 bxc3 18.Kb1 Qxf2 19.bxc3 Bxc3 with an extra pawn for the exchange as well as the bishop pair and easy play against White's severely weakened queenside. Call me crazy, but a position like that would make my mouth water!|
|Jul-19-05|| ||buRnINGbeNd: I should add that that line is actually better than giving up the pawn for free in my opinion.|
|Jul-31-05|| ||aginis: i know i'm quite late but 13.Bxf6 gxf6 14.h4! yields a strong attack on the weakend kingside, the move Bxf6 was correct even though it may not have been a clear win.|
|Aug-17-05|| ||who: If 13.Bxf6 gxf6 Fritz feels the position is almost equal (slight advantage for white).|
|Dec-03-14|| ||TheFocus: From a simul in Cicero, Illinois on May 20, 1964.
Fischer scored +44=5-1.
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