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Apr-22-12
 | | chrisowen: Clear coup horse flamboyance, shepherded by major onslaught to follow unknown path after pawn push new green land but black seems at home to escalate the surge even left ra8 nb8 tucked back needed on lynch to speak bf5+ and the real. |
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Apr-22-12
| | chrisowen: Cracker bg3 smooth launch to pad off mate by strangulated monarch f1 has no room to breathe as qd2 suffers from bxd3+ whereby 20.qxf2# seals the deal a top gm exasperated from out of nowhere comes the ragged bull to claw ground away from the dutch maestro apparently bowled over run all at sea must have been fun to see the look granted down a mere matter of 18 moves rightly stumped from the get go a3. |
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Apr-22-12
 | | James D Flynn: First candidate 16….Qxf2 (threatening mate on g2 or h2) 17.Nef4(defends against both threats) Qg3 (renewing the threat of Bg2+) 18.Qe2 Bg2+ 19.Qxg2 Qxe1+ 20.Bf1 and White is still 2 pieces up and the attack peters out.
Second candidate 16…..Bxe6+ 17,Kg1(not Kg2 when Qh3+ mates in 4) Bxd5 (now Black is only the exchange down and threatens to win the White Q by Q checking on h2, h3 and Bxf3 ) 18.e4 (if Nc6 19.exd5 Qh2+ 20.Kf1 Nxd4 22.Bxh7+ Kxh7 23.Qxd4 and White is a R up and the attack is spent), Whar if Black doesn’t take the 2nd N? 17……Qh2+ 18.Kf1 Bg3 and White cannot take because Bh3# but must defend f2 by 19.Qd2(not Qc2 because after the K is pushed to e2 and Qxf2+ the R on e1 would hang) Bh3+ 20.Ke2 Qxf2+ 21,Kd1 Qxf3+ 22,Qe2 Qxd5 23.Rg1 Bh4 24.Qh2 Qd7 25.Rh1 Bg4+ 26.Kc2 g5 and Black has 2nited passed pawns for the exchange with an unclear endgame. Is there better?
Third candidate 16…..Bg4+ 17.Kg1 Qh2+ 18.Kf1 Bg3 (again if 19.fxg3 Bh3# ) 19.Qd2 Bxf3 and the Q threatens mate on g2 or h1 White cannot defend both squares and if 20.Ne7+ or Bxh7+ Kh8 and White runs out of checks.
Now for the game. |
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| Apr-22-12 | | cyclon: 16. -Bf5!!. So, my line was inaccurate and maybe even faulty - I haven't analyzed the position after ( 16. -Bg4+ ) 17. Kg1 Qh2+ 18. Kf1 Bg3 19. Bxh7+ <( THIS is prevented by 16. -Bf5!!, White King now escapes via e2-d3 )> 19. -Kh8 20. Ke2 Qxf2+ 21. Kd3 Bxf3 game gets even wilder. It would be interesting to know what 'silicon valley' says about that position - it's estimation. Heaven only knows without a computer program. |
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Apr-22-12
 | | lost in space: I found this line most promising:
16...Bg4+ 17. Kg1
(17. Kg2? Qh3+ 18. Kg1 Bh2+ 19. Kh1 Bg3+ 20. Kg1 Qh2+ 21. Kf1 Qxf2#) 17...Qh2+ 18. Kf1 Qh3+ 19. Ke2 Bxf3+ 20. Kd2 Bxd1 21. Ndf4 Qf5 and Black has a decisive advantage
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Apr-22-12
| | lost in space: Hmmmm, really nice mate after 16...Bf5!!. |
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| Apr-22-12 | | Marmot PFL: Didn't get it I'm afraid.
Acs joins the Beat Van Wely in 20 Moves or less club that includes Ivanchuk, Topalov, Morozevich, Svidler, Nakamura and several less well known players. |
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Apr-22-12
 | | whiteshark: Wow, remarkable, Black starting an attack out of the blue. |
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Apr-22-12
 | | Jimfromprovidence: < al wazir> <Abdel Irada> Wow! I did not see that after 16...Bxe6+ white also has another saving move after 17 Kg1 Qh2+ 18 Kf1 Bg3, with 19 Bxh7+. (I thought only 19 Qd2 was good)
click for larger viewWhite gives up a piece to create a path to d3 for his king. (seeing 19...Kxh7 20 Ke2 Qxf2+ 21 Kd3). Very instructive. 
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| Apr-22-12 | | BOSTER: It seems to me that white violated all chess rules for "normal" development to create such strange picture like <POTD>. It is clear that black should move bishop h3-discovered check, but the question is :where to move? To see ahead that queen on d1 and bishop on d3 create the epaulettes on the king' shoulders when white king has to move to f2 it is not easy. And this is the key for today puzzle.
Move 16...Bf5+ is spectacular!
For me this is a real nice <Puzzle> during many weeks. My guess, that saying <CG Puzzles> level is now low encourages <CG> stuff to prove <don't be smarter than me>. |
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Apr-22-12
| | BadKnight: i have never tried a sunday before, because usually its much above my level.
today i will give it a shot and try to work out few lines. position is very complicated, usual for a sunday.
black is temporary two pieces down, but has a strong attack, and black has the move.
if black tries to play quiet, then he can play 16...Bxe6+ 17.Kg1/g2 Bxd5 gaining back
material equality. but i dont think this will be the puzzle line. there are many other interesting tries. 16...Bg4+ 17.Kg1 Qh2+ 18.Kf1 Qh3+ and now
a) 19. Kg1 forces 19...Bh2+ 20.Kh1 Bg3+ 21.Kg1 Qh2+ 22.Kf1 Qf2# so,
b) 19. Ke2 has to be more challenging. and now, 19...Bxf3+ 20.Kd2
and i believe we reach a very interesting material imbalanced position with
20.Bxd1 R/Kxd1 21.fxe6 where black has queen for two minor pieces. all of these look quite forcing, but its sunday so i must have missed something. time to check! |
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Apr-22-12
| | BadKnight: okay i missed it completely. i going to check with an engine if 16...Bg4 is any good. |
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Apr-22-12
| | marcwordsmith: <BadKnight> I came up with the same "solution" you did though I did see that in the second continuation Black would have a queen for a rook and a minor piece, not a queen for two minors. Anyway, what does your engine say about the Bg4 line? Does Black have an advantage at least? (I hate it that I missed the mate!!) |
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| Apr-22-12 | | DrChopper: This game remind me a nice game from Charousek:
D Hermann vs Charousek, 1896 |
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Apr-22-12
| | EXIDE: I went for 16 ...Bg4+. I can win the white Queen for my bishop by following with 17..Bh2+; 18..Qh3+ and 19...Bxf3+ ;however, white has enough pieces to compensate and probably wins the game. |
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Apr-22-12
| | BadKnight: <marcwordsmith> white has the intermizzo 21.Nef4, rescuing the knight en prise and gaining time on the black queen on h3 followed by 21.K/Rxd1, and white has 3 pieces for the black queen, and the game is roughly equal according to houdini. pretty simple tactic i must say. black had all moves super forcing except 20th in line b 20...Bxd1(not a check), so i should have spotted it. it was not difficult, but it was quite far down the line, so i was afraid i must have missed something simple earlier so probably had not paid enough attention on the position after black's 20th move. |
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Apr-22-12
 | | WinKing: Well it looks like black has three active pieces & a pawn capture with which to work with to try & make something happen. Some possibilities: 16...fxe6 17.Nf4 Nc6 18.Ng2 <(not 18.Nxh3 Qxh3+ 19.Kg1 Bh2+ 20.Kh1 Bg3+ 21.Kg1 Qh2+ 22.Kf1 Qxf2#)> 18...Qg5 19.Bf1  <(seems to hold for white)> 16...Qxf2 17.Nef4 c6 18.e4 cxd4 19.e5 <(& I don't see anything for black)> 16...Bf5+ 17.Kg1 Qh2+ 18.Kf1 Bh3+ 19.Ke2 <(& white escapes)> 16...Bxe6+ 17.Kg1 Qh2+ <(17...Bh2+ 18.Kf1 Bxd5 19.e4  )> 18.Kf1 Bh3+ 19.Ke2 <(& white escapes)> 16...Bg4+ 17.Kg1 Qh2+ 18.Kf1 Qh3+ 19.Ke2 <(if 19.Kg1 Bh2+ 20.Kh1 Bg3+
21.Kg1 Qh2+ 22.Kf1 Qxf2#)> Bxf3+ 20.Kd2 Bxd1 21.Nef4 Qf3
22.Rxd1 Qxf2+  <(with a complicated game)> 
click for larger viewIf there is something better than the above then I didn't see it. Let's look. |
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Apr-22-12
| | WinKing: 18...Bg3! - very nice. Went right over my head. I did look at 16...Bf5+ but just totally missed this follow up. Kudos to Acs for seeing this fine move OTB. |
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Apr-22-12
 | | SuperPatzer77: Hey, <LoveThatJoker>! How've you been doing, <LTJ>? <LoveThatJoker: Cool! A Peter Acs puzzle! <16... f5+!>> I strongly agree with your commentary - 16...f5+!! Your excellent analysis is that 17.  g2 (instead of 17. g1)  h3+!, 18. g1 h2+, 19. h1 g3+ forcing mate in two moves. My analysis is 17. g2 h2+ transposing to 18. f1 g3!!. Well, I think yours is much better than mine. LOL. Well done, LTJ. By the way, I'm a Batman fan - (Batman's evil nemesis - Joker) LOL LOL. SuperPatzer77 |
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Apr-22-12
 | | M.Hassan: "Insane" Black to play 16...?
Black is a Night+Rook down
16............Bf5+
<I was initially moving the Bishop to f4 that would not solve the puzzle. In f5, it blocks line of action of White's LSB and Black King can not be checked> 17.Kg1 Qh2+
18.Kf1 Bg3
<19.fxg3 Bh3#>
19.Ke2 Qxf2#
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| Apr-22-12 | | VincentL: "Insane".
It is late in the day and in 15 minutes the Monday puzzle will be up. Amazingly I think this puzzle may start 16....fxe6, so that only one knight can come to
the defence. The idea is then Bf1+ followed by Qh3 and mate on g2. The one knight can come to f2, but will be captured by the black bishop. If Rf1, then Bf5+ wins.
Let´s see what happened before the puzzle comes down. |
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| Apr-23-12 | | LoveThatJoker: <SuperPatzer77> I just got your note, man! Thanks for the kind shout out. You are most certainly correct in saying that after 16...Bf5+! 17. Kg2 Qh2+ 18. Kf1 Bg3!! transposes into the main continuation. Absolutely well done!
LTJ
PS. Batman is my favourite superhero as well - despite the fact that he is Joker's nemesis and vice-versa! :D |
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| Apr-23-12 | | Helios727: What happens after 19. fxg3 ? |
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Apr-23-12
| | SuperPatzer77: <Helios727: What happens after 19. fxg3 ?> See diagram 1 below:
click for larger view<Helios727> 19. fxg3 allows the space clearance for the Black Queen to take control of the second rank - See diagram 2 below: 
click for larger viewThen what happens after 19. fxg3 is 19...h3 mate!
You got it, <Helios727>? SuperPatzer77 |
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| Apr-24-12 | | Helios727: Got it. |
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