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|Jan-02-06|| ||Poisonpawns: This is Vallejo Pons "Immortal Game"|
|Feb-12-06|| ||XMarxT3hSpot: I dun understand most of the whole game. It simply is an awesome attacking game.|
So, this Budapest gambit is dubious eh?
|Apr-08-06|| ||CapablancaFan: 28.Rd4+ Kg5 29.Qh4+ Kg6 30.Rf6+ Kg7 31.Qh6#. Great attacking game from Vallejo.|
|Apr-08-06|| ||The17thPawn: <acirce> - Any thoughts on 22.h4+ as a possible improvement for white? I like this better than f6 but may be just grasping at straws.|
|Apr-08-06|| ||notsodeepthought: <XMarxT3hSpot: I dun understand most of the whole game.> Neither did Holmes, perhaps he mistakenly thought it was elementary.|
|Apr-08-06|| ||al wazir: I think there's a lot of ways to deviate from the game black played. The Opening Explorer gives 11...Ra6 instead of Bf8, though Bf8 appears to be thematic. Does anyone know if this particular line had been played previously?|
|Apr-08-06|| ||rogl: I checked with my old friend Fritz and he says that instead of 22 f6? white should have played 22 Qf7! with a winning position.|
|Apr-08-06|| ||Erronian: What up Holmes?|
|Apr-08-06|| ||weary willy: Holmes alone|
|Apr-08-06|| ||weary willy: <al wazir: I think there's a lot of ways to deviate from the game black played. The Opening Explorer gives 11...Ra6 instead of Bf8> it gives what?!? Sure it's a way to deviate but must be a typo surely, since the Bc5 is en prise?!|
|Apr-08-06|| ||kevin86: What a finish! White's queen and rook are attacked and he isfacing a discovered check! He wins by chasing black up the chimney with said rook and queen. The king can never leave his g file and dies at the end of it!|
|Apr-08-06|| ||outplayer: 23...Qxd7!! 24.g8=Q+ Bg7 25.Rxd7 Rxg8 = This was difficult to see.|
|Apr-08-06|| ||outplayer: 23...Bd6??|
|Apr-08-06|| ||outplayer: Games like this make me think about trying Budapest gambit sometimes.|
|Apr-08-06|| ||dakgootje: First the black king gets chased away from its own pieces to end up being mated (if the game would've continued) at g7... Nice attacking game by white. |
< I checked with my old friend Fritz and he says that instead of 22 f6? white should have played 22 Qf7! with a winning position.> Luckly chesscomputers are still unable to think what the most beautiful combination is for winning position, else they would outplay us at every facet of chess.
Strange that blacks rating here is higher then his highest-ever rating in the database according to the players-page. Though those things (highest archieved rating) were done by computers and therefor always correct =S
|Apr-08-06|| ||al wazir: <weary willy: <The Opening Explorer gives 11...Ra6 instead of Bf8> it gives what?!? Sure it's a way to deviate but must be a typo surely, since the Bc5 is en prise?!>|
My mistake. It gives 11...Ra6 after 11. Bb2.
By driving away the black ♗ on move 11 instead of developing his own ♗, white makes the retreat 12...Ba7 less attractive.
|Apr-08-06|| ||CapablancaFan: welcolme to the vallejo-pons immortal!|
|Apr-08-06|| ||EmperorAtahualpa: That's one crazy bishop sac! A very nice pick for GOTD.|
|Apr-08-06|| ||jperr75108: a very nice game by Paco Vallejo.|
|Apr-12-06|| ||acirce: <Any thoughts on 22.h4+ as a possible improvement for white? I like this better than f6 but may be just grasping at straws.>|
Maybe there is something after 22.h4+ Kxh4 23.Bf6+!? Kxh3 (forced) and now 24.Qf7 or 24.Rf4 but at least Fritz is not impressed. As <rogl> points out though, 22.Qf7! is winning. After 22..Nxg4 23.f6! is the most convincing...
|Nov-06-07|| ||MGates84: 23...,♕x♕ definately looks like a better option, but I still think that white has a considerable advantage especially for a GM. After 24.g8=♕+, ♗g7 25. ♗f6+ , ... Blacks king can only choose h6 or g6. Then, 26. ♕xh7+, ♔x♕ 27.♖x♕, ♖g8. I might be completely wrong, but although black has a material advantage, I think white gets it back and with good play may even win with a pawn surge.|
|Jan-15-09|| ||WhiteRook48: evidently Holmes didn't break the chess case!|
|Oct-02-11|| ||Hesam7: Flashy game and everyone likes it, when objectively it is of very poor quality. For example Black can improve with 17. ... Ng6 over 17. ... Nf5 and 19. ... Ne7! over 19. ... Kg6?. But the biggest blunder comes from White with 22. f6?? turning into , after 22. ... Qc8 23. fxg7 Black could have won with:|
<23. ... Qxd7! 24. g8=Q+> 24. Rxd7 Bd6 25. Bc1 Kh4! 26. g8=Q Bxh2+! <24. ... Bg7 25. Rxd7 Rxg8 26. Bxg6 Nxf1 27. Rxc7> 27. Kxf1? Bc6! 28. Rxc7 Bxa4 29. bxa4 Rac8 wins pretty easily. <27. ... Nxh2> if Black has to part with his bishop he wants to get the maximum for it.
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Now both possibilities are hopeless:
<28. Rxb7 Nxg4 29. Nxb6 Rae8> 29. ... Rad8 is met by 30. Nd5 <30. Bc3> guarding e1 and freeing the c7-rook. <30. ... Kh6!> weaving a mating net <31. Na4> vacating the b6 square; 31. Nd5 is not as good b/c Black can play ... Ne3+ & ... Nxd5; 31. Bxa5? Ref8 is mate in 8. <31. ... Re2 32. Rb6+ Kg5 >
<28. Kxh2 Be4 29. Nxb6 Rad8 30. Nd5 Bxd5 31. cxd5 Kxg4 >
|Apr-04-16|| ||The Kings Domain: Poor opening by black, he played like a patzer and justly got punished for it.|
|Jul-03-17|| ||optimuswise: Great game and nice sack!|
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