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|Jan-09-15|| ||Chess Dad: I got the first two moves, but then tried Bxg2 instead of Bg3.|
|Jan-09-15|| ||wooden nickel: "Y'all Reti for This?" ... more rough than ready!?
15. ... Qg4 would have been another interesting variation, but then the world would have been deprived of the played line 15. ... O-O-O 16. Bxh8 (German idiom: "He who says A must also say B")
Ne5 17. Qd1 Bf3!
If 18. Qd4 Qh3! 19. gxh3 Rg8!
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|Jan-09-15|| ||reticulate: What a little gem by Seņor Capablanca. It's interesting that the two pawns on the f-file, including one of white's own, prevent any successful counter-play before the axe falls. I wonder how far ahead the winner saw that. Could it have been at 8....Nf6?|
|Jan-09-15|| ||dfcx: I would have played 15...Qg4.
It's my first time seeing this game. What a great move with 15...O-O-O!!
With 15...Qg4 16. Bxh8 Na5 17. Qxb7 Nxb7
With 15...O-O-O 16. Bxh8 Ne5 17. Qxb7+ Kxb7 we have similar results in material, but black has much better position in the second line.
|Jan-09-15|| ||Cheapo by the Dozen: I missed the ... Bf3 shot. So all I had was:
Perhaps I'm overlooking something sharper and superior, but I'm not finding anything better than 15 ... O-O-O. It seems to give Black a nice advantage (2 bishops, lousy pawn structure, and lines that will could eventually open up vs. a rook). Play might continue
15 ... O-O-O
16 Bxh8 Qg4
17 f3 Qg6
18 Nd2 Rxh8
with the point of White's 17th and 18th being to defend against threats such as ... Nb4/Nc2.
|Jan-09-15|| ||Cheapo by the Dozen: Anybody proposing a line with ... Qg4 should consider defenses that include f3 and a willingness to exchange queens. That's what I had trouble getting past.|
|Jan-09-15|| ||varishnakov: took me some steps:
first looked at 15...N-R4 with the idea of forcing the queen to vacate control of black's KN1, but white has the check 16.Q-R5+
then I tried 15...Q-N5 16.BxR N-R4 but I found white has 17.P-KB3
then I tried 15...O-O-O 16.BxR N-K4 17.Q-Q1 Q-R6 and if 18.PxQ R-N1+ but I noticed white has 19.Q-N4+ so I stepped back some
so finally I got 15...O-O-O 16.BxR N-K4 17.Q-Q1 N-B6+ and if 18.PxN Q-R6 with mate to follow
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|Jan-09-15|| ||Edeltalent: 15...? Black to move
The position is sharp and unbalanced. To get here, White has probably attacked and sacrificed a piece in the process, but now is lacking reinforcements, as his queenside is still undeveloped. He has trapped the rook on h8 though and is threatening to go up in material. Black has an ugly pawn structure, but his queen, knight, whitesquared bishop and potentially also a rook on the halfopen g-file seem poised to create a dangerous counterattack.
Several motives can be envisioned: Sooner or later the knight will move, to either go on to harrass the white king or to sacrifice himself to free the bishop. The queen could join the attack through g4 (pressuring g2) or maybe sacrifice herself on h3 so Black can deliver mate along the g-file or with the knight, once the long diagonal is under control.
Precisely piercing these pieces together with the correct move order will be important.
Candidate moves: 0-0-0, Qg4, Ne5, Na5.
15...Qg4 16.Bxh8 Nd4 17.Qxd4 Qxg2#, but 17.Qxb7 Ne2+ 18.Kh1 leads nowhere. Also 16...Na5 17.f3 and White holds.
15...Ne5 16.Qxb7 and there's nothing.
15...Na5 16.Qxa5 Qg4 17.f3 Qxg7 leaves Black a piece up, but 18.Qxc7 doesn't seem totally clear. Even worse, 16.Qh5+ Kd8 17.Bxh8 keeps Black's pieces under control.
No, we can't just overrun White by throwing away all pieces, there's just not enough attacking material left in these variations. Let's look at the slightly slower, but more solid 0-0-0, bringing the king to safety, protecting the bishop and moving the rook to a square where he is no longer in the range of the white queen and also can quickly reach g8.
15...0-0-0 16.Bxh8 Rxh8, albeit looking very fine for Black, isn't completely decisive and also not necessary - the bishop isn't doing anything anyway. After 16...Ne5 instead, all black pieces forcefully spring to life and he crashes through. For example 17.Qd4 Nf3+ 18.gxf3 Rg8+ and mate, or 17.Qd1 Bf3 18.Qd4 (18.gxf3 Qh3 19.Kh1 Nxf3 and mate) Qh3 19.gxh3 Rg8+ 20.Qg4 Nxg4 21.Re1 Ne3+ and mate or 17.Qa5 Bxg2 and White is defenseless (18.Qxa6+ Bb7 is not a problem).
|Jan-09-15|| ||Bycotron: Move 15, black to move.
This position makes a pretty impression on me. White has sacrificed a piece and may boast that his Bishop attacks black's Rook, his Queen holds a threatening post and black's King is still in the center.
However, black's minor pieces are all developed while white's Knight sits at home blocking in his a1 Rook!
One attractive idea for black is to play Na5, uncovering at attack on the Qd5 and, after she moves, the pawn on g2. This is especially attractive because the g file is open so if black can use another piece to attack g2, then play the discovery Na5, he will have a strong attack!
The immediate 15...Rg8 fails simply to Qxg8+ so let's play the only other move that accomplishes our aim. 15...Qg4 and black threatens Qxg7 and Na5. It looks like white can immediately resign.
16.f3/g3 Qxg7 0-1
16.Bxh8 Na5 17.f3! Oops! That didn't work after all.
Well back to the drawing board. There is one other 15th move for black that is thematic with attacking g2 and that is 15...0-0-0, this has the dual purpose of defending the Bb7 (now Ne5 is possible when Nf3 mating ideas will become a factor) and giving the Queen's Rook access to g8.
I always solve these at work where I can't set up a board or move any pieces on the chessgames.com board so I just have to visualize it. It's rather complex after 0-0-0 so I surely can't see everything, but I will give a sample line.
16.Bxh8 is forced, else white is down a piece and way behind in development and can immediately resign.
16...Ne5 (improvement over Na5 in previous line)
17.Qd1 and Nf3+! immediately looks like a winner.
18.Qxf3 Bxf3 loses too much material.
18.gxf3 Rg8+ 19.Kh1 Qh3 20.Rg1 Rxg1+ 21.Qxg1 Bxf3+ 0-1
18.Kh1 is giving me the hardest time...
18...Rxh8 is surely not best, but in a game I could put that in my pocket and play until my 18th move then have another think and try to find an improvement. :) In any case, I believe 15...0-0-0 is black's best.
|Jan-09-15|| ||Bycotron: I put the wrong piece on f3! Well played Capablanca, well played sir.|
|Jan-09-15|| ||kevin86: After castling, comes the counterattack.|
|Jan-09-15|| ||Lambda: I think this puzzle is problematic in that 0-0-0 is obviously a good move even if you don't see anything clever. So you don't need to solve the puzzle at all in order to play the best move. You can wait a move to think about things.|
|Jan-09-15|| ||CHESSTTCAMPS: Black is up a bishop, but white threatens 16.Bxh8 taking the lead. My first candidate 15... Qg4(??) looked really strong in view of 16.Bxh8 Na5 apparently winning the pinned queen in view of the mate threat on g2, but white can destroy this illusion with 17.f3!. Also unsatisfactory is 17... Nd8?? 18.Qh5+ Nf7 19.Bxh8.|
But black does have an efficient and effective way to return material and still mobilize a winning attack against the white king.
17... O-O-O! (the natural move) 18.Bxh8 (otherwise white stays a piece down) Ne5! puts a difficult question to the white
A) 18.Qd2? Nf3+! 19.gxf3 Rg8+ 20.Bg7 Rxg7+ 21.Kh1 Bxf3#
B) 18.Qd4? Nf3+ 19.gxf3 Rg8+ 20.Qg4 (Kh1 Bxf3#) Qxg4+ 21.fxg4 Rxg4#
C) 18.Qd1 Qh3!! 19.gxh3 (f3 Rg8! 20.Rf2 Nxf3+) Rg8+ 20.Qg4 Nxg4 21.f3 (hxg4 Rxg4#) Ne3+ 22.Kf2 Nc2 nets a piece for black
D) 18.Qa5 Qh3! 19.f3 (gxh3+ Rg8+ forces mate) Rg8 20.g3 Rxg3+! 21.hxg3 Qxg3+ 22.Kh1 Nxf3 23.Rxf3 (there is nothing better) Bxf3#
Time for review...
|Jan-09-15|| ||TheaN: 9 January 2015 <15....?>|
For this Friday puzzle, black has only reasonable move in the position at hand. I guess the puzzle started here because it would be tempting for Black to just resign this position, considering there is no other sensible move but <15....O-O-O>. Black has the freedom to sacrifice Rh8 as he is already a piece up. To the queenside castle, white has only one reasonable reply to not go a piece down, which is <16.Bxh8>. Now the actual combination starts.
<16....Ne5!> is the point. Black controls all critical squares around the white queen: b3-g8 is completely shut off, after <17.Qd2/Qd4? Nf3+! 18.gxf3 (else NxQ) Rg8+ with mate 0-1<>> white is shown exactly why Black is ok sacrificing the rook on h8. This leaves only d1 or a5 for the queen: a5 looking passive in this position, <17.Qd1>. The bonus of this move is that it covers f3 and g4, which can be crucial to defend. Black simply doesn't care and still plays <17....Nf3+! 18.Kh1 (gxf3 Rg8+ 19.Kh1 Qh3 and mate soon ) Rg8> black continues his expansion by stressing the g-file, now he is forced to do so indirectly.
If white cannot develop a piece now, he'll lose. <20.g3? Qh3 with Qxh2# 0-1<>>, or <20.Rg1? Nxg1 <>> does not help white's position. <20.Nd2>, however, the sad truth for white is that the position is already falling apart. After the simple <20....Nxd2> the knight is immune because of <21.Qxd2 Bxg2+ 22.Kg1 Bf3+ 23.Bg7 Rxg7 24.Qg4 Rxg4# 0-> but white doesn't have better.
|Jan-09-15|| ||TheaN: Well would you know, <17....Nf3+> wins in a similar fashion as the perhaps more forcing 17....Bf3!. Strikingly, it seems I was the first to finish this line. Bycotron played it but missed <18....Rg8! >.|
The key after Rg8, which I did actually not mention, is that if white 'passes' after black can simply play <19....Rxg2!> followed by Qg4+ if captured, otherwise mating on h2.
|Jan-09-15|| ||TheaN: Amusing sideline that is slightly better for black in the Nf3 variation is <17....Nf3+ 18.Kh1 Rg8 19.Nd2 Nh4! 20.f3 Rxg2 21.Rg1 Qh3! 22.Nf1>. Now it's a bit of a shame that 22....Rxg1+ is mate in two, because in the position after <22....Bxf3>:|
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I'd have a hunch white is lost.
|Jan-09-15|| ||ehackett: How about
17 .... h3?
If it works a more spectacular ending...
|Jan-09-15|| ||Penguincw: Hmm. When I saw this game, I noticed the link was purple, so I thought really hard about this, but never even considered queenside castling.|
FTR: I last visited this game on November 1st. :|
|Jan-09-15|| ||ToTheDeath: Yes, Capa was a genius.|
|Jan-09-15|| ||Rookiepawn: This is how you beat "positional" players: with a maelstrom of tactics, sacs, unbalanced positions.|
Too bad for Reti, Capablanca was not a "positional" player.
|Jan-09-15|| ||visayanbraindoctor: <Capablanca was not a "positional" player.>|
It goes against the usual stereotype but in my firm belief, Capablanca was the best tactician of his era, even better than Alekhine. He just did not go for tactical double edged positions. His style was to try to find the objectively best moves most of the time. Whenever AAA, Marshall, Bogolyubov got him into a tactical melee, Capablanca usually out tacticked them. AAA, Marshall, and Bogolyubov on the other hand purposely often tried to complicate the game. It's a matter of chess style.
I my post above Reti vs Capablanca, 1928
<Somehow this game reminds me of
Reti vs Euwe, 1920
Euwe vs Reti, 1920
The above games, featuring the rare double rook sac, were both played against a future world champion in the same year. Reti had astounding combination chess vision as well.
So contrary to what this game at first glance may imply to some kibitzers, Reti was no push-over. I regard him as a Candidates-strength chess master>
My guess is that Reti, falling for an illusion, assessed the position after 11. Nxf6 as being advantageous for White. There are open lines to the Black King, which is momentarily stranded in the center and cannot castle Kingside. Black's pieces are all in his first three ranks. White has four pieces out and is ready to castle. Reti must have been dreaming of concocting an attack similar to his Euwe classic crushes. My guess is that many masters in all eras, including today, would fall for this illusion too.
I think the main reason why Capablanca assessed the position correctly as advantageous to him is because of concrete calculations, possible up to the point of the 17. Bf3 sacrifice. I believe he had already seen the outlines of this position when he played 11... gxf6 which destroyed his Kingside pawn structure but gave him an open g-file into White's Kingside.
If one allows one's pawn structure to be destroyed, you have better have concrete tactical options before the endgame.
|Jan-09-15|| ||Cheapo by the Dozen: I thought ... O-O-O was a pretty obvious first move, in that it protected both the h8 rook and the b7 bishop, and also developed the other rook that could perhaps be brought to the half-open g-file.|
Seeing the ... Bf3 shot was harder. I have no idea whether it would have occurred to me over the board when I needed to figure it out, one move later than the puzzle position.
|Jan-09-15|| ||CHESSTTCAMPS: The following link allows you to play the game position after white's 17th move against the Crafty engine. Colors are reversed (i.e. you are playing the black position with the white pieces) because using this particular interface requires white to have the first move.|
I set this up to verify that 17... Qh3 would also have won handily against best defense - and it does.
|May-03-16|| ||solskytz: What a disaster!
That pawn sacrifice in the opening (on e4) really didn't go so well for Reti...
The machine (Capablanca) just never lets Reti recover that pawn in peace. Things climax when he (Reti) feels obliged to capture that pawn (on d4) with his queen - after ...a6 was already played, and so losing a piece and with it - all hope, as early as move TEN.
The rest was simply tragedy. Of course black can gladly afford to give back the exchange in order to properly develop - but ...Bf3!! is an amazing stroke of genius. Reti just can't afford to go on the defensive being down material, with his Q-side undeveloped...
probably 18. Qd4 would extend the game a bit - but who wants to play this position as white.
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