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|Jul-28-03|| ||hickchess99: didn't that steiner fella have a little gig as a wrestler for WCW? |
|Jul-28-03|| ||Sylvester: <didn't that steiner fella have a little gig as a wrestler for WCW?> That was Rick and Scott Steiner, no Endre unless you mean Andre the Giant! |
|Jul-29-03|| ||hickchess99: so andre the giant was a chess player too? that's kind of neat. but why did he change the spelling of his name? and change his last name to "the Giant"? |
|Jul-29-03|| ||Sylvester: <why did he change the spelling of his name? and change his last name to "the Giant"? > Who can tell with these Frenchmen! |
|Jul-29-03|| ||Ghengis Pawn II: I dont Andre the Giant was a frenchmen, I have to look into that. |
|Jul-29-03|| ||Sylvester: Check it out!
|Aug-25-03|| ||jaime gallegos: thanks honza your right ! |
|Jan-24-05|| ||hartkoka: even though 28...Bxh3 is good (let say no refutation).. i think the way capablanca play is more simpler and better because it simplify the position so easier to win, is it? |
|Jan-24-05|| ||patzer2: <jamie gallegos> Today's 30...Rxd6! is part of a winning double attack combination, which actually began prior to 28...Bxf2+|
Now while 28...Bxh3 does not work out so well as <Honza Cervenka> notes, 30...Bxh3! does win. The analysis, verified with Fritz 8 goes 30...Bxh3! 31.♕e4 ♕xg2+ [the stronger alternative is 31...Qf6+ 32.Kg3 Rb8 33.Kxh3 Rxd6 34.Re1 Re6 35.Qg4 Qh6+ 36.Qh4 Rxb3+ ] 32.♕xg2 ♗xg2 33.c5 [33.Kxg2 Rxd6 34.b4 Rc6 35.c5 g5 36.Rd1 Re6 37.Kf2 h5 38.Rd8+ Rxd8 39.Bxd8 Re4 40.b5 axb5 41.axb5 Re5 42.c6 Rxb5 43.c7 Rc5 44.Bxg5 Rxc7 ] 33...♗c6 .
Of course the strongest, simplest and most effective solution is 30... Rxd6! 31. Qxd6 Qf6+ . Such basic deflection and double attack combinations are ones strong players should be able to see at a glance.
Looking at the entire game, the first winning position starts with the "Noah's Ark Trap," in a trapped piece combination (snaring a Bishop) after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 d6 5.d4 b5 6.Bb3 Nxd4 7.Nxd4 exd4 8.Qxd4 c5 9.Qd5 Be6 10.Qc6+ Bd7 11.Qd5 c4 . After this, the rest of the game is just a "matter of technique" in securing Black's win.
|Jan-24-05|| ||cu8sfan: Thanks, <patzer2> for your analysis. I was just going to ask if 30....♗xh3 doesn't work because that's the solution I found. |
|Jan-24-05|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: Shouldn't this position have begun after 28.Qf4? That would have been a lot tougher. |
|Jan-24-05|| ||jahhaj: This opening trap has a name, can anyone remember what it is? 5 c3 or 5 O-O should be played. |
|Jan-24-05|| ||ThePurplePimpernel: I believe it's termed the "Noah's Ark" trap, though I don't know where this term came from. |
|Jan-24-05|| ||aw1988: My solution is 30...Bxc4. I believe this might also work. |
|Jan-24-05|| ||beenthere240: I seem to remember that it's called the Noah's Ark trap because it's approximately that old. It's up there with the bishop snatch of an a or h pawn and getting trapped after the knight pawn advances (a la Fischer vs Spassky championship match game 1). |
|Jan-24-05|| ||patzer2: I went to the opening explorer and found that Black had played 8. Qxd4?? in this line in five games and lost all of them. I think White made the best move against 11. c4 in R Dworzynski vs Keres, 1956. Just kidding of course, since White resigned there; however, White can make a game of it after the interesting 8. c3!? as in Short vs Biyiasas, 1979 or DeFirmian vs Igor Ivanov, 1994.|
The Noah's Ark Trap can also occur in the Morphy Close Defense variation of the Ruy Lopez after 1. e4 e4 2. Nf6 Nc6 3. Bb5 a3 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. 0-0 Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. d4?! Nxd4 9. Nxd4 exd4 10. Qxd4?? c5! , as described (in the old descriptive notation) at http://www.eudesign.com/chessops/no.... Of course instead of falling for the trap with 10. Qxd4??, White can make a game of it with 10. a4!?
Not sure where the term "Noah's Ark Trap" came from unless it has to do with the Boat shaped pawn formation after 8...c5!. However, I do seem to recall reading a bit of humor somewhere (can't remember the source) suggesting this trap is so old that it was sprung while Noah and his son's were playing Chess aboard the Ark.
|Jan-24-05|| ||kevin86: Capa traps Steiner at least twice:First,he gobbles up the bishop in a Noah's Ark trap-possibly because the pawns marched up as a pair,to trap the bishop.|
Second,he gobbles the poor cornered rook.
Not unexpected,Capablanca may have been the most precise player of his era.
|Jan-24-05|| ||BadTemper: 28. Bxh3+ ??
Deserves 2 Question marks. Horrible move.
My software rates it as .20 in favor of white, rather then Bxf2+ -4.3 in favor of black.
I rate it as a crappy patzer move.
|Jan-24-05|| ||GreenDayGuy: White got really overzealous in the opening, which when he got into the middlegame, I think black had a great advantage. |
|Jan-24-05|| ||Saruman: This one can also be found in Win At Chess, also under the alias of "Noahs Ark Trap". |
|Feb-26-07|| ||SirBruce: According to Wikipedia:
"Alexander Alekhine recommended this move [8. Qxd4??] in the tournament book for New York 1924 as a means for White to draw, but it is a mistake that loses material. Endre Steiner fell into this trap against Josť Capablanca at the Budapest tournament in 1929. White should instead play 8.Bd5 or try a gambit with 8.c3."
So if Alekhine could overlook it, I don't blame others for doing so!
|Dec-02-08|| ||WhiteRook48: There are other versions for the Noah's Ark Trap; like White giving a beginner's check on b5.
The moves are 1. e4, e5, 2. Nf3, d6, 3. Bb5+? (pointless)
3...c6!! 4. Ba4? (You're at the side, Bishop)
4...a5 5. d3?? b5! 6. Bb3 a4 and the Bishop goes back in the box.
|Mar-14-12|| ||cormac: i stumbled into the noah's ark as white in a game recently ... was going over the game and saw the variation come up (in Arena gui) -- very cool ... had never heard of this one ...|
|Jan-11-14|| ||Amarande: And then there are versions in which Black does not even need to bother to advance the pawns to the fifth rank and actually win the piece - because White's Bishop is so badly imprisoned by the first two pawn advances that it might as well already be off the board. For instance another famous game of Capa's, W Winter vs Capablanca, 1919 or the immortal correspondence classic Gonzalez vs Perrine, 1943.|
(For some reason, the perma-imprisonment variation tends to affect White's DSB more often than the classic Noah's Ark that operates on the LSB, although there are exceptions - indeed, White must be careful how he saves his Bishop from the Ark, else the piece may be no good anyway, e.g. Spielmann vs Tarrasch, 1912 ...)
|Dec-25-14|| ||Oliveira: After 21... Nf6, I suppose 22.e4 might ensue, right gentleman??|
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