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Rafael Domenech vs Salomon Flohr
Rosas 1935  ·  Sicilian Defense: Kramnik Variation (B40)  ·  0-1


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Apr-09-04   Whitehat1963: Why resign at this point? Is it really so hopeless?
Apr-09-04
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  iron maiden: All Black has to do is take the f-pawn and then win with his own passed pawn.
May-22-04   dac1990: Count up moves. In order to promote a pawn, White has to take 11 moves but Black only 8.
Jan-02-05   aw1988: I would be inclined to march up to Kf4 and torture my opponent, even if he does manage to win.
May-23-05   babakova: That isnt torture, I would feel very calm with black since the position is easily winning in any case. In fact I think its very relaxing to play positions where only I have the chances to win.
Sep-03-05   aw1988: Well, OK, I admit that was a stupid idea.
Sep-03-05   perfidious: <babakova> Your remarks recall one of the primary criticisms of Fischer by the Soviet Machine: according to them, he liked to play positions 'without an opponent'.
Sep-04-05   WMD: And this was a criticism?
Sep-04-05   perfidious: <WMD> It seems that playing to restrict the opponent's possibilities didn't quite measure up to the ideal of the Soviet School of chess: playing to win in a bold, uncompromising manner, as Soviet Man should.

For 'examples' of such play, see
The Soviet School of Chess, by Kotov and Yudovich Sr, written in the fifties- a nice little polemic if a copy can be found nowadays.

Dec-17-05   DeepBlade: Also White's pawns are scattered, Black's pawns are relative chained.
Aug-02-06
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  LIFE Master AJ: I wonder where Rosas, (the tournament site); was?
Aug-02-06
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  WannaBe: Rosas (Spain) Southern city, borders France, http://www.wannadive.net/spot/Europ...

Also see, Flohr vs Koblents, 1935

Aug-03-06
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  LIFE Master AJ: <Wannabe> Thanks.

This is also like "Game Seven" in the most excellent book, "The Most Instructive Games of Chess Ever Played," By Irving Chernev.

Aug-04-06   TheSlid: <"The Most Instructive Games of Chess Ever Played," By Irving Chernev> Mine is printed by Faber in 1973. A great book, albeit in English narrative notation.
Aug-08-06
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  LIFE Master AJ: <TheSlid>

Yeah, David McKay once asked me to redo the book in algebraic, but that fell through. (I have no real idea, why.)

Aug-11-06   TheSlid: <LIFE Master AJ> <et al> Is there no algebraic version? Would there be a market for such, today, do we think?

Perhaps books are just something old people like, now.

Aug-12-06
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  oao2102: Not sure what the Kramnik variation is here...
Aug-12-06
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  Sneaky: 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.c4 must be called the Kramnik variation by some people, because of Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1994.
Aug-16-06
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  LIFE Master AJ: < Aug-11-06 TheSlid: <LIFE Master AJ> <et al> Is there no algebraic version? Would there be a market for such, today, do we think? Perhaps books are just something old people like, now. >

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I think there would be a definite market for it. And there would be two ways to go:

# 1.) A simple conversion to algebraic and perhaps an elimination of any tactical errors. (I have personally found just a few, one line seems to have a move pair left out. I have deeply analyzed just about all of these games.)

# 2.) A totally revised edition.

I would love to take on such a project, but - unfortunately - it has not been done. Sadly, I think that because sales remained decent, publishers have decided not to do this ... simply because they can make more money by allowing things to remain just as they are.

Jun-05-08   ezmerin: That's funny. Kramnik variation at 1935. It might be 'Kramnik's Grandpa Variation'.
Jun-05-08
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  percyblakeney: <That's funny. Kramnik variation at 1935>

I could understand if it was called the Malakhov variation since he has played it more than 20 times (and with classical time controls). Of the older players Tartakower and Alekhine have played it several times. Kramnik only seems to have played it once, in a rapid game.

Jun-05-08
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  suenteus po 147: It's a little like the Taimanov variation of the Sicilian being played in 1882.
Jan-06-09
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  Ulhumbrus: In the position after 24 Rxd1 Flohr does not play the move...Nb3 at once ( to be followed by exchanges of the N and R on d2) but prepares this move by playing first the manoeuvre ..Nc5-e6-d4 so as to induce the advance f4-f5-f6 which makes White's pawns vulnerable to attack from Black's King.

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