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|Jun-28-06|| ||joe barnett: i'm always amazed by how far away from e1/e8 the king can get in some games....|
|Oct-28-06|| ||dfelix: <morphynoman2>: 1.e3 f5 2. d3 f4 3.e4 f3 4.d4 Nc6 5.Nxc3 Nb8 6.Ng1 Nc6.|
|Oct-31-06|| ||Rubenus: Deschapelles was a good player for his time...amazing that there are only two games of him in the database. And an odds game in a match, that seems strange.|
|Jul-06-07|| ||sanyas: <Rubenus> It used to happen all the time, to even it up between a strong master and a weaker player. Nowadays we have the rating system.|
|Feb-09-08|| ||wolfmaster: Even though Cochrane lost, it was still a great Honore to play Deschapelles.|
|Apr-09-08|| ||Whitehat1963: iamverywellatchess!|
|Jan-01-09|| ||WhiteRook48: Cochrane played so badly in this game|
|Jan-01-09|| ||Honza Cervenka: Don't be too hard on Cochrane for this disastrous performance. At first glance it seems to be very humiliating to lose a game with odds of Pawn and move in this way but it is not so easy to handle this kind of chess game if you are playing usually on even conditions and if you are facing an expert of this chess variant. There are some pitfalls in it. Of course, the starting position is a bit different from normal chess and the absence of Pf7 is clearly a weakness for black and his Kingside, but if black solves opening problems with his development, it can become quite often and quickly a big asset as semi-open file. Especially this type of odds is very tempting for white to build big expanded Pawn center and to grab space with intention to attack and kill cramped black in less than twenty moves or so. But in practice it usually doesn't work and instead of getting an overwhelming position this high-pitched and hasty approach of white leads him into troubles. And this is exactly what had happened to Cochrane here. Already 3.f4 was not the best idea and 3.Nf3 or 3.Nc3 with "quiet" development would have done better service to white. Also 4.e5 was hardly the best move though in normal chess such a Pawn formation in the center is quite usual in many opening lines and not bad per se. But here with semi-open f-file it is clearly more favorable to black. After inferior 7.Ne2 (7.Nf3 was better) the advantage of white is over and black can be already a bit better despite of white's extra Pawn. 8.Ng3 could have been less compromising and better than 8.g3 but Cochrane probably still wanted to play actively not realizing in full the troubles he was facing. 9.Kd2 was a mistake of the same kind - he planned to find safe heaven for the King on the Queenside not realizing immediate tactical shortcomings of this attempt. Instead of that 9.Bxf5 was necessary. The rest of game was pure massacre and black even missed an immediate win with 16...Ne3! instead of 16...Qe3 (14th move in Java viewer). But as we can see from Cochrane vs A Deschapelles, 1821 where he had beaten the same opponent in a normal game, Cochrane was not such a bad player even back in 1821...:-)|
|Jan-01-09|| ||WhiteRook48: he has such a weird name.|
|Jan-04-09|| ||WhiteRook48: there was a Philidor game where Philidor gave odds of f pawn. the first two moves were
1. e4 Nh6 2. d4 Nf7 intending to shore up the f7 weakness|
|Jan-04-09|| ||just a kid: <Whiterook48>Here is the game you're talking about.Maseres vs Philidor, 1783|
|Jan-05-09|| ||WhiteRook48: what does the pun mean?|
|Jan-05-09|| ||Jim Bartle: There was an American TV show called, I believe, "Chapelle's Show," starring comedian Dave Chappelle.|
|Jan-06-09|| ||WhiteRook48: thanks for explaining the pun.
One thing I don't get about the game is why White would move his king 4 times in the opening. He should have let him stand on e1.
|Jan-09-09|| ||WhiteRook48: White has for sure messed it up with 7. Kd2.|
|Jan-10-09|| ||WhiteRook48: 23. Ne3?|
|Jan-19-09|| ||WhiteRook48: the final position looks messed-up.|
|Jan-22-09|| ||WhiteRook48: excellent king hunt|
|Jan-24-09|| ||WhiteRook48: supposedly Cochrane sued his opponent for winning|
|Feb-04-09|| ||WhiteRook48: he was Honored.
1. d5 seems better to me, because the knight will lose tempo:
1...Ne5 2. f4 Nf7
|Mar-16-09|| ||dwavechess: 17/27 concur with rybka 3 at 3 min. per move with rybka.abk book for Deschapelles|
|Mar-19-09|| ||WhiteRook48: a horrible loss|
|Jul-23-09|| ||Knight13: John Cochrane was supposedly a very strong player, but this game shows that in 1821 he probably wasn't.|
1. d5 is better, as it keeps the initiative.
|Sep-29-09|| ||Phony Benoni: Give that man a hand!|
|Dec-31-11|| ||Penguincw: 7.Kd2. Seriously? Another game with a king walk!|
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