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|Jul-04-05|| ||OneArmedScissor: <Patzer> in your final position/play, is 36. ...Qxf3 better than 36. ...a5?|
I feel that a5 is better for these reasons:
1. You save your pawn.
2. It keeps the a file close, which potentially hinders the white rook from utalizing the open file in the futre. (less open files, less potential for the rook).
3. The pawns can support any bishop manuveours along the a5-e1 and a7-g1 diagonals.
4. White's g pawn is going to fall anyways.
|Jun-25-11|| ||ROO.BOOKAROO: The final position 29...Re1 is an excellent demonstration of overloading. Wikipedia illustrates its article on overloading with this final position, and gives the reference to the Chessgames link for the game.
Unfortunately the article does not give any other examples.
I couldn't find an extensive collection either in Chessgames dedicated to overloading.|
|Oct-24-11|| ||Novirasputin: i don't consider this move an overload per say so much as a simple pin.|
To me overloading is when a piece has too many defensive tasks.
here the task of the rook was just to defend f3 which it cannot do after a rook sac.
Of course the move is sound and the abc's of what tactic this is theoretically and conceptually are not relevant because the point is the mvoe and the win, not what you name it, but as a study i would explain this as use of a pin and not an overload.
To me for instance a simple overload example would be Steinitz vs Zukertort, 1886
move 17 Steinitz (part of a slightly deeper combination based off of the mistake Nh6) plays Rxh6 winning a knight and the game because the pawn is overloaded in defending the f6 pawn on which Steinitz can fork the queen and king. The bishop is going to be pinned so in that case you clearly see the pawn on g7 having too many defensive tasks.
Again apples and oranges in the case of a clearly good win but from a theoretical point i like the way i see it (coincidentally something i picked up from Murray Chandler's great youth book "chess tactics for kids").
|Oct-05-16|| ||wilfredo munoz: How about 29 ... Qb2? No need for overloading or pinning.|
|Nov-08-18|| ||al wazir: 27...Re3 was easy to find. After 29. Kh1 I would have played 29...Qb2. I think that wins just as well as the game line.|
|Nov-08-18|| ||lost in space: <<al wazir>: 27...Re3 was easy to find. After 29. Kh1 I would have played 29...Qb2. I think that wins just as well as the game line.>|
|Nov-08-18|| ||wtpy: I saw the game line and didn't even consider Qb2 but that appears to be answered by Rh5. I just checked Stockfish and that is the recommendation with only a slight edge to black.|
|Nov-08-18|| ||al wazir: <wtpy: I saw the game line and didn't even consider Qb2 but that appears to be answered by Rh5.> You're right, or Stockfish is.|
|Nov-08-18|| ||agb2002: Black has a knight and two pawns for a rook.
The black rook can attack the white queen and bishop from e3. Therefore, 26... Bc5+:
A) 27.Kg2 Re3 28.Qa4 Re2+ (28... Qb2+ 29.Kh1(3) Qe2 30.Bb5) 29.Kh1 (29.Kh3 Qe6+ wins the rook on d5) 29... Re1
A.1) 30.Rxe1 Qxf3#.
A.2) 30.Rdd1 Qxf3#.
A.3) 30.Kg2 Rxf1 31.Kxf1 Qxf3+ 32.Ke1 Qxd5 - + [b+n+p vs R].
B) 27.Kh1 Re3 28.Qa4 Rxf3
B.1) 29.Rxf3 Qxf3#.
B.2) 29.Rfd1 Rf1+ 30.Kg2 (30.Rxf1 Qxf1#) 30... Rf2+ 31.Kh3 (31.Kh1 Qf3+ 32.Kg1 Qg2#; 31.Kg1 Ra2+ wins). 31... Qe6+ 32.Qg4 (32.g4 Qe3#) 32... Rxh2+ 33.Kxh2 Qxg4 wins.
B.3) 29.Rg1 Rf1 wins.
C) 27.Rxc5 Rxc5 - + [B vs n+2p].
D) 27.Rf2 Bxf2+ - + [B vs n+2p].
|Nov-08-18|| ||Walter Glattke: I thought for 28.Qf5. White advantage!?|
|Nov-08-18|| ||erdogankilic: Excellency in chess!!
Sharp and definite
|Nov-08-18|| ||Mayankk: I missed the Re1 tactics, although I saw the Bc5+, Re3 threat and the follow up with Re2+ if Kg2 instead of Kh1. |
But I didnít know how to proceed after that till I saw the shocking Re1.
|Nov-08-18|| ||Lambda: Odd puzzle. You don't need to see the final move to recognise the immediate continuation as a promising attacking idea. It's not like you're making a sacrifice and need to see to the end to know that the sacrifice is justified.|
|Nov-08-18|| ||dTal: I agree. I also didn't see Re1. I thought Qb2 won it, but as pointed out, there is a defence. I think the key move of Re1 is hard to spot, at least for me, at the beginning of the combination.|
|Nov-08-18|| ||saturn2: Same for me
26...Bc5+ 27. Kg2 Re3 28. Qa4 Re2+ 29. Kh1 Qb2
I did nor consider 30 Rh5
|Nov-08-18|| ||Walter Glattke: 28.Qf5? Rxe8, 28.Bxf7+ seems to stop mate.|
|Nov-08-18|| ||clement41: Fully agree with lambdaís kibitz: this makes the combination not so hard to find OTB because one would go for it anyway|
|Nov-08-18|| ||malt: Had 26...Bc5+ 27.Kg2 Re3 28.Qa4 Re2+ 29.Kh1 Qb2 did not see ...Re1|
Thought Whites best move was 26.Qf5
|Nov-08-18|| ||cunctatorg: That person (Anatoly Karpov) many times makes chess to look like very simple and too easy...|
|Nov-08-18|| ||chrisowen: Malty vinty mindy mooty bc5um clumpy ousty kg2um gourd lucks to it civinsy 27.Rxc5 jastha ousty coldum 2 it lowum luvum vowum vimum venty re3um ebbum qa4um among lucks to it frivslug 28.Bxf7+ fivey finish klubby flungout 3 4 it lowum luvum vowum vimum re2um eggum kh1um hound re1um ecoum ducky ebber 5 ousty keyin malty vinty lattice tally vinty ampum wampum pawum lampum twinkle pjsum junior blink hobum boily vinty hiver quidy duffy focum ceyum yesum yussy zeusy vinegared it's vasty height payum gunsy dinky mudkin craze it's vasty white hoody vivar vetty pagey cansy madkin chezy dipum mktgy wynsy bc5um county hivey keyin malty vinty lattice tally; |
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|Nov-08-18|| ||wtpy: Al, I went to Stockfish after I looked at Rh5 to confirmn that it was best defense.|
|Nov-08-18|| ||Andrew Chapman: Instructive that 29...Qb2 doesn't work. As a guy at my old chess club used to say to me - 'look at the whole board' - which I often failed to do as I should, and still do, as in this case. Andrew|
|Nov-08-18|| ||marcodpt: How white proceeds after 12... Bxd5?|
|Nov-08-18|| ||John Abraham: nice finish|
|Nov-08-18|| ||HeMateMe: more Kow Bell!|
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