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|Oct-22-08|| ||sleepyirv: I know it's unlikely, but is this the earliest game used in a puzzle?|
|Oct-22-08|| ||Domdaniel: This must be the famous <Breaker Morant>. I'm not sure if this qualifies as a puzzle, but it certainly counts as a *break* - White got a break and Black was broken.|
And I know this was 1680 and the real Breaker made his name over 200 years later. But still.
|Oct-22-08|| ||Domdaniel: <sleepyirv> -- <I know it's unlikely, but is this the earliest game used in a puzzle?>|
If you mean used as a CG daily puzzle, I *think* we've had a Greco position from 60 years earlier. I'm not certain, though.
If you mean overall, then no. Puzzles are actually older than games, strange as it seems -- long before anyone thought of recording all the moves of a game, people would record exciting positions with dramatic finishes.
|Oct-22-08|| ||Trigonometrist: Usually the guy with no surname loses...
Well there are exceptions....
A good puzzle though..Saw it in a second...
|Oct-22-08|| ||zb2cr: 8. Qh5 leads to a quick crush. I have nothing to add to the detailed lines published by <dzechiel>, <TheaN>, <johnlspouge>, <Woody Wood Pusher>, and <agb2002>.|
|Oct-22-08|| ||zb2cr: Also, for those critical of Black's poor play--note the date of this game. Chess theory was REALLY in its infancy then...|
|Oct-22-08|| ||dzechiel: <beginner64: <dzechiel> Umm, not really - the king escapes via h7.>|
|Oct-22-08|| ||playground player: Chess theory may have been a bit raw in the 17th century, but common sense should have kept Black out of this tar-pit.|
|Oct-22-08|| ||TheaN: <Also, for those critical of Black's poor play--note the date of this game. Chess theory was REALLY in its infancy then...>|
True, true, actually forgot to notice such a fact. Morant's play of the KG is pretty good if it was considered novel at that time: in two other games of him (Morant vs Maubisson, 1680 and Morant vs Pennautier / Maubisson, 1680) he actually uses the modern idea of playing Kf1 on a Queen check and so getting initiative. That he loses one was just a bad day I presume (and he was playing against two).
That Black loses this game can be credited to the fact that the KG was so unknown that he chose a timid defense like 2....Ne7?! Good game actually if you consider it 1680.
|Oct-22-08|| ||YouRang: I decided pretty early on that I would need to get my queen involved, and the only square where the queen looked threatening is at h5. |
After 8.Qh5, the rest fell into place pretty easily. Black's only hope is 8...Re8 (8...h6 allows 9.Qxg6 and mate soon). But then 9.Bxf7 winning a pawn and a rook with sustained attack.
|Oct-22-08|| ||kevin86: What a finish! White captures a pinned knight,black captures a knight. White then wins with a mere pawn capture.|
|Oct-22-08|| ||Woody Wood Pusher: After 8.Qh5, Re8 things take a little longer e.g. 9.Bxf7+,Kf8 and now 10.Bxg6|
I still think 10.Bxg6 is stronger than Bxe8
|Oct-22-08|| ||Domdaniel: <Chess theory may have been a bit raw in the 17th century, but common sense should have kept Black out of this tar-pit.>|
Common sense (in chess) is just theory that's been around so long that nobody remembers its origins.
|Oct-22-08|| ||Domdaniel: <Usually the guy with no surname loses>|
'Abbe' probably means something like 'Reverend', so really they've just got a surname each. 'Feuquiere' is an interesting name for a priest, though - especially one who ends up thoroughly feuqued.
|Oct-22-08|| ||ThePawnOTron2: <dzechiel: <beginner64: <dzechiel> Umm, not really - the king escapes via h7.>
I think 10.Bxf7+ is good enough.
|Oct-22-08|| ||sneaky pete: Morant's first name was probably Jean or Jacques, see J Morrant.|
|Oct-22-08|| ||ChessGeezer: This position reminds me of the "Fishing Pole" defense some folks play here in Colorado against e4 openings. The colors are reversed in this game. Key elements of the "Fishing Pole" are that White castles quickly, Black does not castle, Black puts a Knight on g5, White usually tries to scare off the Knight with the h pawn, Black "protects" the Knight with the h pawn hoping White takes it so black recapture with the h pawn and open the h file for the Rook, in comes Black's Queen to the h file and White is done. It can be fun to play in blitz games against someone that has not seen it.|
|Oct-22-08|| ||MenisfromVenis: Somehow I find this more like a Monday puzzle. Qh5 and then it's mate or winning material.|
|Oct-22-08|| ||whiteshark: <Paris 1680> L'État, c’est moi!|
|Oct-22-08|| ||mworld: what an odd place for black to intentionally maneuvre his knight to.|
|Oct-22-08|| ||whiteshark: Variations' name giver: Mikhail Aleksandrovich Bonch-Osmolovsky|
|Oct-22-08|| ||fouard: dzechiel - You said:
Not 9...Re8 because of 10 Qxf7+ Kh8 11 Qg8+ Rxg8 12 Nf7#.
Actually, Nf7 is not mate, as the King has h7, and then White only wins eventually. Better 11 Qf6 and mate in 3.
|Oct-22-08|| ||offramp: What de Feuquieres was he playing at?|
|Oct-22-08|| ||Shams: <offramp> well, his opponent is no moran. |
|Jul-24-09|| ||just a kid: after 7...O-O I would have played 8.Qh5 in a heartbeat!|
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