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|Oct-07-09|| ||kingsindian2006: <bobsterman3000> ..lol.. classic comment|
|Oct-07-09|| ||kingsindian2006: they didnt have resign option either back then .....lol|
|Apr-10-10|| ||SirChrislov: This game has inspired a collection.
Game Collection: Archive Xerxes: The Birth of Modern Chess pt. I
|Jul-07-10|| ||Zkid: <Salaskan: A horrible game by today's standards. White would have won easily with 6. Ne5 Bd6 (6... Bxd1 7. Bxf7# Légal's mate) (6... e6 7. Nxg4) 7. Bxe6 fxe6 8. Qh5+ g6 9. Nxg6> |
Since you like to prove how smart you are by showing mistakes in a game 500 years ago, I can't resist the temptation to point out that your line fails to 8...Nxh5, as white has hung his queen for nothing. (And 9... Nxh5, actually). Perhaps these guys aren't so bad.
|Jul-18-10|| ||jbtigerwolf: It's very clear from the play that they were not allowed to castle back then, so the game is a bit pointless from that perspective.|
Besides that, White wins the game with 6.e5 xd1 7.xf7# or wins the Bishop with 6.e5 e6 7.xg4 xg4 8.xg4. That last variant is by no means game over, given that Castellvi wouldn't have been a master... but without castling it isn't really chess as we know it.
Anybody know the first recorded game of chess with castling as we know it today?
|Aug-16-10|| ||Lil Swine: black is a very bad player for example he brought out his queen too early, he exchanged his bishop for a knight and helped white bring out another piece, missed a few good moves like when his rook was attacked he retreated instead of a couterattack, traded off a whole rook for a knight and was way too defensive, every master knows you should not do any of these mistakes|
|Sep-20-10|| ||nvrennvren: white too good for the time..he knows how to develope his pieces quickly...a bogus game?|
|Dec-04-10|| ||masteraden: looks like the black player don't know how to use the scandinavian defense.
he should never bring back the queen to d8 a very bad move.|
|Dec-04-10|| ||perfidious: <masteraden> This game was played in 1475-there were lots of ideas yet to be understood then!|
|Dec-04-10|| ||Nullifidian: For all you people who are claiming that Black (or White) is a bad player, please save my aching forehead from more self-administered slaps by taking note of the fact that this is a *composed game*. It's an element of a poem called "Scachs d'amor" (Catalan for "Chess of Love") and the moves were chosen for their symbolic value, not their practical value in a game of chess.|
|Feb-17-11|| ||ahubers: From what I remember of reading "The Kings of Chess" -- pawns didn't gain the ability to jump two squares until, at the earliest, maybe 1700 or 1750... and I actually believe it's later than that. I'm almost certain that they couldn't in 1475, though.|
|Feb-17-11|| ||Phony Benoni: <ahubers> You must be remembering incorrectly. We have dozens of games from Greco in 1620 with the double jump. Ruy Lopez had it in the 16th century when he analyzed the opening bearing his name.|
However, the double jump was not used throughout the entire world. It came later to India, which is why some openings featuring single-step pawn advances are known as "Indians".
|Mar-24-11|| ||Penguincw: If this is the oldest known recorded game,then the Scandinavian Defense must the oldest known opening in chess (or at least one of the oldest).|
|Jun-09-11|| ||bpfau: There is finally an English translation of Scachs d'Amor, the 15th century poem which describes this Castellvi vs Vinjoles game. Please visit www.scachsdamor.org .|
|Jun-09-11|| ||I play the Fred: <BTW, what was Rock Paper Scissors like before paper and scissors were invented?>|
There were <a lot> of tied games.
|Nov-11-11|| ||Maatalkko: <bpfau> Thanks for the link! |
I find it funny that many people came to the defense of the quality of this game. The play looks like less than 1000 Elo to me, but the idea of writing a stanza for each move is pretty interesting. Has that been done in the 536 years since?
|Nov-25-11|| ||Penguincw: I only know these people because they played the oldest recorded game of chess.|
|Nov-25-11|| ||HeMateMe: Thats not true. Cain beat Abel 12 1/2 - 10, and thats when things started to get ugly...|
|Feb-05-12|| ||culei: 12 1/2- 10 imposibble , must be that someone forfeited or died ?|
|Mar-09-12|| ||ajile: Someone didn't study their openings book enough.|
|Mar-25-12|| ||talisman: they didn't resign back then.|
|May-10-12|| ||LIFE Master AJ: Perhaps the first great combination ...|
|May-10-12|| ||LIFE Master AJ: A student sent me an e-mail and asked me what I thought of this game. |
Its important - for no other reason - than it is one of the earliest RECORDED games of chess ...
Of course, I am not referring to the precursors of the game as it was played hundreds of years ago, then the Queen was much weaker, the Bishops moved differently, etc. (Back then, the Knights and Rooks were the two most powerful pieces, mate in the corner - with those pieces - is still referred to as an "Arabian Mate" ...)
|May-10-12|| ||alexmagnus: As for the <oldest game involving castling>, at least here on CG it is NN vs Lucena, 1497|
|May-10-12|| ||DanielBryant: It's easy for us to sit back from our 21st century perspectives and tear this game apart, but I think it's more interesting to consider the fascinating evolution of chess.|
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