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Ruy Lopez de Segura vs Giovanni Leonardo Di Bona da Cutri
Rome 1560  ·  King Pawn Game: Damiano Defense. Damiano Gambit (C20)  ·  1-0
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Nov-24-06
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  Jonathan Sarfati: <alexmagnus> But don't forget that White doesn't have to be greedy. What about say 12. e5, e.g. 12 ... Qe7 [12...Bb4 13.Qd5 Qe7 14.h5+ Kh7 15.Qe4+] 13.h5+ Kf7 [13...Kh7 14.Be4+ g6 15.hxg6+ Kg7 16.f4] 14.Qd5+ Kf8 15.Qf3+ Nf6 16.d4, and what on earth is Black supposed to do against White's pawn armada, esp. with his drafty king. e.g. 16. ... Bg4 17. Qe3.

Or if instead of 8 ... h6, 8...h5 then 9.Bxb7 Bd6 10.Qa5 Nc6 11.Bxc6 Rb8 and now White doesn't have to be greedy but can play 12.Qg5+ and the endgame three pawns up is a breeze]

Jan-26-07  Tactic101: I once saw a player in a simultaneous play f6 as well. This is definately a terrible opening to play. Never try this, not in a blitz, not in a casual, not in a rapid. And certainly not in a real game. Unless, of course, you want to lose.
Feb-15-07
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  Jonathan Sarfati: Jonathan Sarfati: Agreed. Someone tried it against me in a blindfold simul last year and it was just as you say (http://www.croydonchess.com/pgn/200... game 4).
Mar-25-07  Moondoll: <Jonathan Sarfati> CG now has that game in their database:

J Sarfati vs NN, 2006

May-17-07  Edwin Meyer: According to CB Mega 2007 this game is dated 1572.
Sep-18-07  wolfmaster: Perhaps, as he was the first to beat it, Ruy Lopez should gain credit for the Damiano Defense.
Sep-26-07  Thecheckmater: <chessgames.com>Why not show the rest of the game?
Dec-10-07  D.Observer: Do somebody knows how did Ruy Lopez win the game?
Jan-25-08  wolfmaster: <D.Observer> Only 9 moves of the game were recorded, and it is know that Lopez de Segura eventually won. What we don't have is the score for the remainder of the game. Lopez was a sufficiently able player to convert an exchange to a win, which is what he did here.
Jan-28-08  just a kid: 2...f6 is HORRIBLE!
Aug-20-08  e4knightf3: I can't understand why Black would want to capture the knight (fxe5) for the Rook trade and crap?? position?? Anybody want to enlighten me with some theory for the black player?
Oct-06-08  just a kid: Why did White give up the Bishop?
Oct-27-08  VaselineTopLove: 7.d4 looks like a poor move...
Jan-10-09  WhiteRook48: Ruy Lopez didn't play the Ruy Lopez. I wonder why.
Jan-17-09  WhiteRook48: 2...f6?
Apr-26-09  Autocontingente: 2... f6?. That's horrible.
Oct-21-09  Wayne Proudlove: We all know the name Ruy Lopez. But what about Giovanni Leonardo di Bona? Well, he won the first known international master tournament in the history of chess in Madrid in 1575. Both he and Ruy Lopez were young men at the time of this game in 1560.
Mar-04-10  rich187113: I played the Damiano defence once, but I wasn't stupid enough to play fxe4 after my opponent played Nxe4, I just played g6...
Sep-12-10  theodor: <WhiteRook48: Ruy Lopez didn't play the Ruy Lopez. I wonder why.> at that time Ruy Lopez didnt new that the Ruy Lopez does exist!
Sep-12-10  I play the Fred: <at that time Ruy Lopez didnt new that the Ruy Lopez does exist!>

At the time, Lopez called it "the Me opening". He was also popularly known as RLo.

Mar-23-11  redorc19: 2...f6???????????????? loses by force.
May-06-11  SBarrett449: Some beginner mistakes here for black. At this point... 3.Nxe5 Qe7 seems safer for black.

two possible scenarios if white's not careful and still decides to check with the queen.

4.Qh5+ g6 5.Nxg6 Qf7 6.Nf4 Qxh5 7.Nxh5

4.Qh5+ g6 5.Nxg6 Qxe4+ 6.Kd1 Qxg6

The latter being the best choice for black in the given scenario. Not the best lines but could see either occurring with such wild illogical play.

Feb-05-13  RPdigital: Damiano defense sucks!
Feb-05-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  jakaiden: <RPdigital: Damiano defense sucks!> Once Carlsen plays it, then everyone will jump on the bandwagon.
Feb-06-13  torrefan: Even if Carlsen loses?
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