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Rashid Gibiatovich Nezhmetdinov vs Oleg L Chernikov
"Nezly Done!" (game of the day Sep-28-13)
Rostov (1962)  ·  Sicilian Defense: Old Sicilian. Open (B35)  ·  1-0
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Sep-28-13  pericles of athens: Amazing game
Sep-28-13  blunderclap: In this particular way Nezhmetdinov must be the greatest chess genius that ever lived. Not even Tal would conceive of something like it.

When you look at the position after 13 ..exf6, which he knew would arise, who on earth would think: "Aha, that looks like I can win this a queen down for two pieces". I can't think of any game that seems so inhumanly awesome:)

Sep-28-13  tjipa: I watched the computer evaluations a bit in this game - it said, OK, the sac is not correct - yet the position remained playable for a time, the black in the game making a number of inferior moves (while white kept making near perfect moves), until on move 21 the black is finally finished (while the queen sac was on move 12!!). I see NEZHMETDINOV as a visionary PLAYER. Maybe he could not calculate as well as Kasparov, but he had an equally astounding tactical vision. All this reminds me of how I use to check my games with Fritz and how stunned I constantly am of the simple things I keep missing OTB. Yet, a player like Nezhmetdinov, of bygone times, still makes computers think hard.
Sep-28-13  dark.horse: 12.Qxf6 unbalances the position, doesn't it? :)
Sep-28-13  sofouuk: <blunderclap: In this particular way Nezhmetdinov must be the greatest chess genius that ever lived. Not even Tal would conceive of something like it. When you look at the position after 13 ..exf6, which he knew would arise, who on earth would think: "Aha, that looks like I can win this a queen down for two pieces". I can't think of any game that seems so inhumanly awesome:)>I can immediately think of at least one example of Tal sacrificing his queen for two minor pieces, and for equally dubious compensation (M Bobotsov vs Tal, 1958) - what's the difference?
Sep-29-13
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  Abdel Irada: Note that there are lines in the King's Indian* in which it is "book" for Black to give up queen for two minor pieces.

In some kinds of positions, the pieces get so much scope for play, and the queen so relatively little, that practical chances resulting from the positional queen sac are excellent.

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*I learned this firsthand when NM Gjon Feinstein played one of them against me. Interestingly, almost all the resulting games ended in draws, but one could not, with the worst will in the world, call them "grandmaster draws." More like fighting on a tightrope suspended over an active volcano.

Sep-29-13  blunderclap: <sofouuk> I don't know all the games that Tal has ever played, so my statement may be dubious in that regard. Yet it was more intended as an expression of my admiration for Nezhmetdinov rather than any doubts about Tal's prowess.

As for the game you mention (which is surely quite beautiful), IMHO it's not quite as far out as this nezhmetdinov game. Black ends up an exchange down and a pawn up shortly after the initial combination and the compensation seems less vague. But it's a matter of taste no doubt.

Feb-08-14  cplyakap: Best combination in the chess history.
Mar-01-14
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  LIFE Master AJ: This game was from the RFSR Team Champ.
Mar-01-14
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  LIFE Master AJ: http://www.lifemasteraj.com/old_af-...

My web page on this game, but it needs to be updated.

Mar-01-14
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  Boomie: Super Nezh was an artist. He searched for beauty in chess and ignored theory. Although this kept him from reaching the upper echelon in Russia, it did lead to some of the finest combinations ever.

Here is his most famous and perhaps most wonderful game. Polugaevsky said, "I must have beaten Rashid a dozen times. But that one loss was so good I would have traded them all to be on the other side of the board."

Polugaevsky vs Nezhmetdinov, 1958

Tal and Nezh were like minded in their approach. Tal used Nezh as his second in his WCC matches against Botvinnik. About Nezh, Tal said "The happiest day of my life was when I lost to Nezhmetdinov."

Nezhmetdinov vs Tal, 1961

Mar-01-14
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  LIFE Master AJ: I think that the computer the computer analysis of this game shows that Black may have been able to draw.

To a novice or beginner, this must seem more like black magic than real chess.

Mar-01-14
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  john barleycorn: < "White should play 26.fxe5 (!) because otherwise 26...Rh5! defends. Black also missed ... Rh5! at move(s) 24 and 25." - GM Andrew Soltis. ('The 100 Best.' page # 177.)

The above statement is just plain WRONG and INCORRECT!!! - LM A.J. Goldsby I.>

hilarious!!!!

Mar-01-14
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  john barleycorn: Another masterpiece by Nezhmetdinov well presented by Kingcrusher:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWRA...

Mar-01-14
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  MarkFinan: <john barleycorn: Another masterpiece by Nezhmetdinov well presented by Kingcrusher: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWRA>...

I've just downloaded it and ill watch it tomorrow morning. Out for the night very soon. He always does a good job JB, I don't know how many of his videos you've watched but I must have seen about 500 over the last few years and I've only not really liked one or two. I always understand what he's on about though, he always makes things seem easier than they are ,always come away thinking I've learnt a little. 😃

Mar-01-14
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  john barleycorn: <MarkFinan> This is the game in the video Nezhmetdinov vs Tal, 1961

Kingcrusher jumps right into the game and stays focussed on the game. He spares the viewer from uninteresting information about himself and that he once and almost had played a similar game. No lengthy epilogues about PayPal accounts etc..

Mar-03-14
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  MarkFinan: <He spares the viewer from uninteresting information about himself and that he once and almost had played a similar game.> LOL 😃

Well that's what you would expect from anyone who makes *good* instructional videos 😃

Mar-03-14
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  john barleycorn: <MarkFinan> I think that a good instructional video is made to help others and not to show off how much hot air is in the ego of the presenter. And then making a video you have to keep in mind the potential viewer and the specifics of the game. "For whom do I make the video?", "What do I want to achieve with my video?" are probably the key questions. Do I want to give helpful analysis or do I want the viewers freeze in awe of my achievements - little as they are? "Hello, my name is AJ Goldsby and I am a LIFE Master from Pensacola, Florida blablabla..." (He lowered his voice in his recent videos to sound more authoritative, imo)

Example: If a game starts with a widely used opening there is probably no need to explain the first move(s) along the lines e.g. "1.d4 [center, development] although 1.e4 is an alternative which can lead to the Goldsby variation in the "djuco peeanow" which by the way ..."

Although I made these comments to help our boy, I guess the <LIFE Balloon> will not appreciate them.

<Mar-03-14
Premium Chessgames Member by courtesy of John Barleycorn LIFE Master AJ: <John Barleycorn> Problem user.

<<*TOOT, TOOT!!!* <<<>>> >>

BIG HAHAHA.

Mar-03-14
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  MarkFinan: <john barleycorn: <MarkFinan> I think that a good instructional video is made to help others and not to show off how much hot air is in the ego of the presenter. And then making a video you have to keep in mind the potential viewer and the specifics of the game. "For whom do I make the video?", "What do I want to achieve with my video?" are probably the key questions. Do I want to give helpful analysis or do I want the viewers freeze in awe of my achievements - little as they are? "Hello, my name is AJ Goldsby and I am a LIFE Master from Pensacola, Florida blablabla..." (He lowered his voice in his recent videos to sound more authoritative, imo) Example: If a game starts with a widely used opening there is probably no need to explain the first move(s) along the lines e.g. "1.d4 [center, development] although 1.e4 is an alternative which can lead to the Goldsby variation in the "djuco peeanow" which by the way ..."

Although I made these comments to help our boy, I guess the <LIFE Balloon> will not appreciate them.

<Mar-03-14
Premium Chessgames Member by courtesy of John Barleycorn LIFE Master AJ: <John Barleycorn> Problem user.

<<*TOOT, TOOT!!!* <<<>>> >>

BIG HAHAHA.>

The lollery, lol 😃

But you do actually raise some valid points about who the videos are aimed at. I wouldn't make one because I don't think 8yr old kids would get my humour or accent!?! Lol. No, the real reason is just that they'd be rubbish and I admit that. But the master of life must realize that if he's losing *my* attention, if he's confusing me (and btw. I'm not above saying he did a great job if he really does make a good one) then??!? I know im daft as a brush but I wouldn't say I was a thick person, I know im not the best chess player but I can still play to a "decentish" level, yet he still leaves me thinking...

..What on earth is he gibbering on about now!?

I don't get that from kingscrushers videos,I ddon't get that from Peter Lalic, I don't get that from online chess lessons, and most importantly of all to AJ should be that I don't even get that from blokes who speak in pigeon English! Chess videos are not our boys niche in the game of chess. He's pretty good at comedy so maybe he should think about squeezing some accidental humour into one, just as a tester, see if the viewer can relate to the man behind the beard. Just a thought 😃

Mar-10-14  cplyakap: 12.Qxf6!! unbelievable move.Only playable by Nezmetdinov.
Mar-10-14
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  perfidious: <devere: "Perhaps it's not sound in the sterile, antiseptic sense of the word."

Most amazingly it seems to be sound. If Black defends perfectly perhaps he can achieve a draw. It is a grand conception by a legendary player.>

Most emphatically agree with you-even if Houdini 19.7 comes up with a Black defence at ninety ply a few years on, in no wise would this detract from the splendour of this game.

Jul-23-14
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  ScottElliott: I believe this was a brilliant "positional" queen sac. There was not any way a human could calculate this to the end. Key considerations were the ability to put the knight on d5, the inability by Black to oppose the bishop on d4, the inability to defend the doubled f6 pawn, etc. What distinguishes a sac from calculation I believe is that one is unable to calculate a sac to the end but there is faith that in the end it will prevail.
Jul-23-14  cplyakap: And I think 20.Bc3!! is great. 20..Qa6? is decisive mistake,only move 20...Qd8.And knight fork is now unavoidable.
Oct-18-14
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  thegoodanarchist: If Tal used magic, this guy used witchcraft!
Oct-18-14
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  parisattack: <thegoodanarchist: If Tal used magic, this guy used witchcraft!>

That's the best description of the difference between them I've heard!

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