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|Apr-21-12|| ||FabrikaLaHun: Thought this was a great combination by black. He's down 2 pawns. Certainly, clearance should not be on his mind, but that is what it seems he does when he takes with the Queen at c1. I wanted to move the knight to e2 right away instead thinking that even if Qxe2, I'd be able to take Qxc1+ and when ...Qe1, I could QxQ and be happy. Guess it was the two nice scotches I was sampling tonight that didn't allow me to see the knight capture on e2 instead.|
Anyhow,I liked the way that this fork was forced. Even when White tries to decline the capture, black is able to force the fork in the end.
|Apr-21-12|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: Fairly easy for a weekend puzzle--you see the potential back rank problems for White and the e2 square begging for a Knight check, and then it's a matter of putting the thematic sacrifices in the correct order.|
|Apr-21-12|| ||Infohunter: Got the combination fairly quickly. I suppose this qualifies as a Saturday puzzle owing to the difficulty of winning the followup play.|
|Apr-21-12|| ||M.Hassan: "Very Difficult" Black to play 25...?
Black is two pawns down.
White force is now B+5p
Black force is now B+N+3p
Black is slightly ahead and can have a more favourable endgame.
Let's see how the game was played
Slightly different but still with a Knight fork to win the Queen. By the way, not "very difficult"
|Apr-21-12|| ||Abdel Irada: This is perhaps the benefit of having gone through all of those "1,001 Winning Chess Combinations"-style books early in my chess career: Today, I see certain pieces in a certain relation to one another, and the solution follows as fast as disaster followed The Raven's hypothetical unhappy master, till the dirges of white's hopes this melancholy burden bore:|
1. ...xc1+; 2. xc1, xc3; 3. xc3, e2+. If white tries to decline the exchange, 3. any, c1+; 4. xc1, e2+. In either case, black ends up with vs. 2 and the endgame should be trivial.
|Apr-21-12|| ||FSR: Virtually everyone has gotten the solution, so I think we can safely conclude that it's not much of a "Saturday" puzzle.|
|Apr-21-12|| ||Abdel Irada: Interesting finish. It almost looks as though black missed a surprise shot with 52. a6 rather than axb6, but this is refuted by the resource 52. ...e5+, when the knight gets back to c6 in time to stop the pawn.|
Incidentally, this exchange Alekhine line looks awfully familiar, since I once carried on a long discussion with Santa Cruz' Dan Burkhard about a closely affiliated variation featuring an early c1. (In fact, Burkhard used to say he couldn't see how anyone could play against the Alekhine without c1.) I've even had occasion to win the d-pawn by the same combination Honfi used in this game, right down to the temporary exchange sac on f4!
|Apr-21-12|| ||sevenseaman: Shatterer of dreams < FSR>!< Virtually everyone has gotten the solution, so I think we can safely conclude that it's not much of a "Saturday" puzzle>.|
And I was under the euphoric impression <I was> getting better!
|Apr-21-12|| ||Swedish Logician: Was this not rather easy for a Saturday?
Backrank weakness and the possibility of a knight fork on e2 stand out clearly.. It is just a amtter of piecing the black moves together: Qxc1, Rxc3, Rc1 (backrank weakness) and Ne2+.
The resulting endgame might be tedious to play out for black - it might even become a N and B mate, but won it tis..
|Apr-21-12|| ||rhickma4: White has as combination to win a piece.
25...Qxc1 26.Qxc1 Rxf3
If 27.Qxf3 Ne2+, or if 27.Q moves 27...Rc1+ 28.Qxc1 Ne2+
|Apr-21-12|| ||morfishine: White's pieces look like ducks in a shooting gallery at the county fair. |
After <25...Qxc1 26.Qxc1 Rxc3 27.Qe1 Rc1 28.Qxc1 Ne2+ 29.Kf1 Nxc1 29.Bd5 Nd3> White has only one-duck left, but Black has two
|Apr-21-12|| ||gofer: I am looking at this and after only an few seconds I can see the back rank weakness, the
rook sac and the queen sac and the knight fork ending a knight up. So, as exchanges go,
I would immediately go for this, but white is two pawns ahead is the knight enough?|
<25 Qxc1! Qxc1>
<26 Rxc3 ...>
26 ... Qxc3 27 Ne2+
<26 ... Q move>
<27 Rc1+ Qxc1>
<28 Ne2+ >
All roads lead to Rome! The continuation is unavoidable to due to the back rank weakness.
Time to check, why we were given this puzzle on a Saturday and not a Tuesday!
|Apr-21-12|| ||agb2002: Black is two pawns down.
White threatens Bxc8, but not immediately due to Nf3+.
The first idea that comes to mind is 25... Qxc1, to weaken the 1st rank and create the possibility of a material recovering fork, 26.Qxc1 Rxc3:
A) 27.Qxc3 Ne2+ 28.Kf1 Nxc3 29.a3 Nb1 30.a4 Bf8 31.b5 Nc3 wins a pawn, [N vs P].
B) 27.Qf4 Ne2+ and 28... Nxf4.
C) 27.Qa1(b1,b2,d1,d2,e1,f1,g5) Rc1 28.Qxc1 Ne2+ 29.Kf1 Nxc1
C.1) 30.a3 Bb2 31.a4 (31.Ke1 Bxa3 32.Kd2 Kg7 - + [N vs P], the white king cannot trap the black bishop) 31... Na2 32.b5 Nc3 is similar to A.
C.2) 30.a4 Na2 31.b5 Nc3 is similar to A.
C.3) 30.Bd5 Nd3
C.3.a) 31.b5 Bd4 32.f3 Kg7 and Black should win the endgame.
C.3.b) 31.a3 Bb2 32.a4 (32.Ke2 Nf4+) 32... Nxb4 - + [N vs P].
|Apr-21-12|| ||OhioChessFan: If I had White OTB, I'd have had to be a jerk and play 54. Bxg6 and see if Black could mate with B and N|
|Apr-21-12|| ||Marius: I didn't read carefully, and looked for as if or were white to play... in fact or seemed harder, i fond f4..|
|Apr-21-12|| ||James D Flynn: First candidate 25Ö..Qxc1 26.Qxc1 Rxc3 if now 27.Qxc3 Ne2+ 28.Kf1 Nxc3 and Black has won a piece, if 27.Qe1(or any other move to answer Rc1 by Qxc1avoiding back rank mate) Rc1 28.Qxc1 Ne2+ 29.Kf1 Nxc1 again winning a piece.
The ending with the N on c1 and the K on f1 may not be the best for White he can lose the Q for R another way 28.Kf1 instead of Qxc1 then Rxe1+ 29.Kxe1 but then Nc2+wins the pawn on b4. It seems better to have the Black N on c1 and White K on f1. Whit has 2 pawns for a piece and should defend a2 by Bd5 preventing the Black n from playing Nh2 and c3 when a White Q side P will be lost. That position looks quite difficult for Black to win, but I donít see anything better and so to the game.|
|Apr-21-12|| ||karnak64: The continuation is far more interesting than the winning combination. |
<OhioChessFan: If I had White OTB, I'd have had to be a jerk and play 54. Bxg6 and see if Black could mate with B and N>
Yeah, I thought that, too. Sac the bishop and start counting moves. It is a bit problematic that the White K is near the light-squared corner.
|Apr-21-12|| ||watwinc: Why is the ending resignable at move 56? Can't White just move the bishop between b7 and a8 (say)? If Black advances his king (and how does he make progress otherwise), h5 looks messy ...|
|Apr-21-12|| ||sevenseaman: I think <OhioChessFan> meant 55. Bxg6.|
No problem. N and B combination mates but because Black has a DSB, it has to be done in the bottom LH (or top RH) corner. So maneuver the White K there. It takes about 12 more moves.
Try this link and let Crafty serve it to you on a plate.
|Apr-21-12|| ||cyclon: Maybe there's some other line, but I suggest today ( meaning; I stand behind it ) 25. -Qxc1 26. Qxc1 ( what else? ) -Rxc3 and now 27. Qd1/e1/f1/b1/b2/a1/g5 gets 27. -Rc1/+, or 27. Qxc3 Ne2+ - in all these cases White has to give up his Queen resulting into position where Black is piece up but White has two pawns for it, nevertheless it's only Black who has winning chances with an accurate play.|
|Apr-21-12|| ||fokers13: Joke of a Saturday this one...
Might just get my 7/7 this week(doubt it though);33
|Apr-21-12|| ||Gilmoy: I had an amusing moment where I managed to surprise myself. I saw through to <26..Rxc3>, and saw (correctly) that White's Q has nowhere to go, because 27..Rc1(+) and WBR forces the fork.|
So I play through to <27.Qe1>, and my face complexion changes, as I think (for a while) <Oh noes it ref00ts Ne2!!>
I heartily recommend using PotDs as your alarm clock. You get to solve it twice -- once by each lobe!
|Apr-21-12|| ||Breunor: Breunor: < watwinc: Why is the ending resignable at move 56? Can't White just move the bishop between b7 and a8 (say)? If Black advances his king (and how does he make progress otherwise), h5 looks messy ...>|
Good question here. I think black plays 56 Nf3 and that wins the white h pawn; then black advances the g pawn.
|Apr-21-12|| ||SuperPatzer77: Black to play and win - see diagram below:
click for larger view
Why White resigns after 56. b7 is because 56...f5!, 57. c8+ f4, 58. b7 f3! (forcing the knight-bishop trade and putting White in zugzwang), 59. xf3 xf3, 60. h5 g5! (not 60...gxh5?? leads to a draw), 61. h6 g3! (setting up the mating net) 62. h7 g4#
|Apr-21-12|| ||BlackSheep: Theres been something wrong this week either we have all improved dramatically or the puuzles do not merit the motifs attached (this definitely is not "very difficult") and I think we can all agree its the latter .|
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