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Edward Lasker vs Fritz Englund
"Castling into the Lion's Mouth" (game of the day Apr-21-08)
Scheveningen (1913)  ·  Four Knights Game: Spanish. Rubinstein Variation (C48)  ·  1-0
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Nov-14-05  LIFE Master AJ: <sleepkid>
I am an "Original LIFE Master," and so is Eric Schiller. (see all the earlier posts, we covered that topic from just about every angle ... requirements, LM vs FM, etc.)

Nov-14-05
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  chancho: <I have submitted around 50 of my games to this website, some with extensive notes. (They have never used any of that work.)>

I wonder why.

Nov-14-05
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  chancho: AJ, the Stephen Muhammad game you won as black, is a very good game.
Nov-14-05  Koster: 1.e4 e5; 2.Nf3 Nc6; 3.Nc3 Nf6; 4.Bc4 Nxe4!?; 5.Nxe4 d5; 6.Bd3 dxe4; 7.Bxe4 Bd6; 8.d4 exd4

<Tarrasch vs Lasker, 1916;

Nov-14-05  Koster: < chancho > I saw another good Goldsby game on his site. It started out 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. Bg5 Ne4 6. cxd5 Nxg5 7. Nxg5 e6 8. Qd2 exd5 9. Qe3ch Kf8. I always found this line very tricky to play for black, as there are some nasty traps based on black's uncastled king. AJ won a nice tactical game against a high rated player without ever seeming to be in trouble.
Nov-14-05  LIFE Master AJ: <Koster>
*Blush* Thanks, are you talking about the Wheeler game? (Or some other contest that I may not remember off the top of my head?)

Nov-14-05  sleepkid: <AJ> I did amend my statement to say that I was mistaken in calling Corden a FIDE Master, though according to the current FIDE rules (http://www.fide.com/official/handbo...) he should be. (I guess all he has to do is apply for the title, but I don't think he cares very much.) Anyway, him not being a FIDE Master just adds strength to my argument, since he'd still defeat most USCF life masters that I have met.

In addition to having lived in Florida, I also used to live in Germany (and the U.K. as well, but whatever), and I'd say the level of playing strength there was much higher than that of the U.S. - so I think it really is a question of who you meet, and where they are from. I would guess a Master from Germany to be about 50 to 100 points stronger than a Master from the U.S. So I think a lot of this just depends on who you play, maybe where they are from (obviously old Soviet and Yugoslav Masters are going to be tough), and what kind of day they are having.

<Eric Schiller> earlier you said <A 2100 player is no chess expert!>

...ahh! but it doesn't prevent you from losing to one every now and again does it? (with the white pieces even!)

E Schiller vs R Takata, 1994

...though to be fair, I think this was the last game he played as an "expert" before moving on into the exalted "master" category. In fact, your loss to him probably gave him the points he needed.

...but it's really those guys UNDER 2100, who are even less expert that you really gotta watch out for...

D Nakamoto vs E Schiller, 1996

...just giving you a hard time. (interestingly enough both of those losses are against Hawaiians of Japanese ancestry. Maybe opponents like that automatically have the "indian sign" over you.)

The end all be all of it though is that ratings and titles aren't really very important. You might beat a "Grandmaster" one day, and then lose to some untitled patzer from the backwoods of Argyll who happens to have spent the last 10 years of his life improving the King's Gambit or the Grob or something.

I'm not saying that the titles are completely meaningless, and kudos to you both for earning yours, but it really is what you bring to the board that matters.

Nov-14-05  Koster: <LIFE Master AJ> Yes i think it was Wheeler. Some sharp variations with the major pieces attacking if I recall the game correctly, nice king hunt.
Nov-14-05  Koster: < (interestingly enough both of those losses are against Hawaiians of Japanese ancestry. Maybe opponents like that automatically have the "indian sign" over you.>

One year at the National Open it seemed they had several Fillipino (sp) players rated in the low 2000s, and most of them looked to be master level by US standards. One I think only lost to Serguy Kudrin, and that took about 60 moves.

Nov-15-05
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  Eric Schiller: <sleepkid> Hawaii has under-rated players because of the incestuous rating pool. They keep getting better but just swap points around.

Still, I did win both the Hawaii Blitz Championship and Hawaii Action (15-min) Championship when I was a fellow at the University of Hawaii for two summers.

Leslie Au beat me a few times, but I don't think there is any master in Hawaii I haven't beaten.

Dexter Nakamoto was the most promising junior in Hawaii and he had plenty of help preparing for our game, which was not one of my better efforts. You can see many games I've played in Hawaii on my games page. I wish I had my game against Hikaru Nakamura (which I won through a cheap but pretty combo). Even if he remembers it, I doubt he'd want it to see the light of day.

Nov-15-05  sleepkid: <Eric> I know. I was just giving you a hard time. It really just underlines my previous point, that ratings and titles don't neccesarily reflect how strong a player actually is, and until you sit down at the board you're not going to find out.

...which is why statements like "a 2100 player is no chess expert!" are probably best avoided. Depends on who the player is.

Nov-15-05
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  chancho: <Eric Schiller> <I wish I had my game against Hikaru Nakamura (which I won through a cheap but pretty combo).>

Hope you can find it.I'm sure that many of us kibitzers would like to see that game.

Nov-15-05  Stevens: <AJ> <After the moves: 1.e4 e5; 2.Nf3 Nc6; 3.Nc3 Nf6; 4.Bc4 Nxe4!?; 5.Nxe4 d5; 6.Bd3 dxe4; 7.Bxe4 Bd6; 8.d4 exd4; 9.Bxc6+ bxc6; 10.Qxd4 0-0; 11.0-0, ("plus-over-an-equal sign") Theory considers White to be a fuzz better here ... I would go along with that.>

that was the line i was looking at, but i think black has 8...Nxd4 which looked maybe better than 8...exd4

Nov-15-05  Stevens: all of those games end up here, at least in this database


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Nov-15-05  Koster: <Stevens> The 8...exd4 lines look OK too. For instance after 11. 0-0 black has c5 followed by Bb7 and it's unclear what is worth more, white's better pawns or black's bishops on the open board. That's how Lasker played it in the Tarrasch game I linked. Lasker could play against the two bishops also, as in the famous game in the exchange Spanish against Capablanca. Very versatile player.
Nov-15-05  LIFE Master AJ: <all>
Its hard to write a book on theory on a page like this ... but the lines after 5.Nxe4, d5; (see my earlier reply to <Robin01>) look to contain mutual chances for both sides.

Theory seems to favor White, (see the ECO lines); however I would agree with <Koster> that Black seems to have fairly decent practical chances.

Another curious note? Its been close to 75 years since two really strong players used this line ... so much of theory might need revising.

After about a dozen searches of the "MEGA" database, the following was (other than the game I have already quoted), the highest rated (recent) encounter that I could find in the db.

[Event "FRA-chT"]
[Site "France"]
[Date "2001.04.29"]
[Round "9.2"]
[White "Koch, Jean Rene"]
[Black "Adams, Michael"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C55"]
[WhiteElo "2507"]
[BlackElo "2746"]
[PlyCount "118"]
[EventDate "2001.02.02"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2001.11.25"]
[WhiteTeam "Mulhouse"]
[BlackTeam "Monaco"]
[WhiteTeamCountry "FRA"]
[BlackTeamCountry "FRA"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bc4 Nxe4 5. Nxe4 d5 6. Bd3 dxe4 7. Bxe4 Bd6 8. d4 exd4 9. Bxc6+ bxc6 10. Qxd4 O-O 11. Be3 Be6 12. O-O Bd5 13. Ng5 f5 14. Nh3 Re8 15. Bg5 Qb8 16. Rfe1 Qb6 17. Qxb6 cxb6 18. Bf4 Bc5 19. Be3 Bd6 20. Bf4 Bf8 21. Rxe8 Rxe8 22. Be3 h6 23. Nf4 Bf7 24. Nd3 c5 25. Kf1 g5 26. Bd2 Bg7 27. Bc3 Bxc3 28. bxc3 Re4 29. a4 a5 30. f3 Re6 31. Nb2 Re3 32. Ra3 f4 33. Kf2 Kg7 34. Nd1 Re7 35. Nb2 Rd7 36. Ke2 Kf6 37. c4 Rd6 38. c3 h5 39. Ra1 g4 40. Re1 Re6+ 41. Kd2 Rxe1 42. Kxe1 Kg5 43. Kf2 Be8 44. Kf1 Bd7 45. Ke2 h4 46. Kf2 g3+ 47. Kg1 h3 48. gxh3 Bxh3 49. Kh1 Bf1 50. Kg1 Be2 51. Kg2 gxh2 52. Kxh2 Bxf3 53. Kg1 Be4 54. Kf2 Kg4 55. Ke2 Kg3 56. Kd2 f3 57. Nd1 f2 58. Ne3 Kf3 59. Nf1 Bc6 0-1

One could argue that the opening was the reason that Black won, but what if Adams had been on the White side of this encounter?

Nov-15-05  hayton3: Why bother eating rump steak when you can eat fillet. <1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bc4 Nxe4> allows black easy equality and a freer game. If white is intent on playing the 4 knights 4.Bb5 is far superior.
Dec-18-05
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  nasmichael: The cutting of lines here by white is quite lovely. No one goes into a game planning to be the unwitting victim of such a display, but I am glad it happens--it is instructive. Has anyone a suggestion on a great book--"Proper Sacrifice" by _____? I have not yet seen a book that discusses proper parameters to sacrifice, what--when--where--why--which lines lend themselves to proper sacrifice. Does such a book exist?
Jan-19-06  LIFE Master AJ: < <Eric Schiller> <sleepkid> "Hawaii has under-rated players because of the incestuous rating pool. They keep getting better but just swap points around.">

I have said this many times about players in the South-East. (Esp. NW FL and southern AL.)

It's actually the same principle as money. When you have a high supply of dollars (or rating points) and low demand, you get an inflationary spiral. (Then the FED tries to halt this by raising the TLF/PIR.)

Alternatively, you could have the situation which existed here in the United States during the Depression. We had an extremely strong dollar, backed by a vast silver reserve. However, the dollar became extremely scarce, (due to hundreds of factors); and the demand for the dollar (or rating points) was unusually high. This led to a DE-flationary cycle, where the price of goods and services kept coming down, until the system found a balance. (The U.S. Government also had to take a number of extraordinary steps to rectify the situation and address the imbalances.)

It is a pretty fair analogy to chess, especially in some (more rural) parts fo the country where they do not have a big enough population base to make the "we" values (of the rating formula) work properly.

Jan-24-06  LIFE Master AJ: This is also the best practical example that I know of ... of the (so-called) "Boden's Mate." (A scissors-type mate, where the King is caught between two Bishops.)

It also shows the value of knowing the basic mating positions!!

The first book that I ever saw these catalogued in was the excellent volume, "Practical Middlegame Techniques," by IM D. Kopec. (This post is in response to an e-mail question.)

If anyone knows of a better example, I would love to see it. (I am sure that there are many, every time I put this type of challenge out to the kibitzer's here, they always answer the bell.)

Jan-24-06  moocow: E Canal vs NN, 1934 is rather pretty.
Jan-24-06  LIFE Master AJ: I met Tal, that an indisputable fact. (Check the USCF CT of NY 1990. He played in the Open ... I played in the Under 2200.)

He was one of the few chess players whom I ever saw get "rock star" treatment. (He was constantly besieged by people who wanted to shake his hand or get his autograph.)

Maybe someone is jealous?

Jan-24-06  misguidedaggression: <<"Hawaii has under-rated players because of the incestuous rating pool. They keep getting better but just swap points around.">

I have said this many times about players in the South-East. (Esp. NW FL and southern AL.) >

I've heard the same thing about Pittsburgh, but I don't buy it. Remember, if there are very few good players in an area, then players can't get better. So the <incestuous rating pool> works both ways. Floors are ment to stop this. When a strong player beats a player who used to be strong, but is now at his floor, then new rating points are introduced into the system. Not many players do travel alot, and the ones who get higher ratings because of travel are simply getting better because they play more chess against different opponents. Also, people can't prepare against you out of town like they can at home, where people know who you are, what your rating was 5 years ago and every single opening you play. People who play out of town have to play the board, not the player, and that's what makes you better.

Jan-26-06  Fan of Leko: <Your handle suggests you are a big fan of Leko> His games have become 2nd rate and boring but he needs all the fans he can get :)
Jan-26-06  Fan of Leko: I have not been to so many tournaments but still have met several US champs- Browne, Christiansen, Seirawan, Benjamin, Yermolinsky, Kaidanov- not that any would remember me. of these Yasser was the friendliest, maybe because he was running for USCF president or something at the time.
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